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Discussion in 'Off-Topic Chat' started by LR-AR-LB, Nov 5, 2008.
posted also on AR-15.com
Obama has been elected and therefore should Texans raise the question
Well that's kind of premature. I mean he hasn't exactly done anything with the office yet to warrant that. However, looking at his track record, the policies he wants to push, and the way Dem's are in general you know it is pretty much inevitable that he will indeed further usurp our constitutional rights and exceed the power granted his office by the constitution.
Not for reasons related to Obama but just as we could make a much better go of things on our own. Different areas have their own views which at times are separate from Texas. They have every right to those views, but perhaps if we had our defined borders we would not be such a bother to them where they wish to change our way of life.
" Based on the fact that the U.S. Constitution does not prohibit secession, some would interpret any state’s status as part of the United States as being voluntary. Supporting this view is language in the original Texas Constitution of 1836, which was repeated in the post-Reconstruction Texas Constutiton of 1876, declaring that, “(The people) have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”
A U.S. Supreme Court decision rendered in 1869 seems to obviate these persistent claims to sovereignty. Commenting on its 5-3 decision on Texas v. White, Chief Justice Salmon Chase stated that the Union is “composed of indestructable states,” and established on behalf of the high court of the land that secession is illegal. " That Texas Magazine - Articles
Texas wouldn't be allowed to secede any more then any individual would be allowed to no longer pay taxes. We are a cash cow and held by force if we ever try to be an independent nation again.
Ok, Obama has stated he will create a new America according to his agenda per the Hard Core Liberal Democrats, This agenda will be unlike no other, as is the president elect. He has no real agenda because he will make it up as he pursues a definite hard line liberal movement which most of America will not tolerate with exception the minorities (with the voting power) with the illusion of the "Promised Land" will follow. He will and can impose strong line ideology relating to the new American path. He is allowing a popular vote with out a roadmap and definite hard line in regards to altering our given rights be it any of them. In essence creating a new agenda and trading our rights collectively to suit a new ideology.
“Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed...
Whenever government becomes destructive to life, liberty, or property [i.e., the
pursuit of happiness], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it...
It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide
new guards for their future security.”
— American Declaration of Independence (1776)
Ron Paul. YES.
Ya go for it "surround" yourself, see how long we'll last.
Legally, it is possible.