Texas electric grid. This is gonna hurt.

[Steve In Texas]

I think the renewables folks are big on spending other people's money at the corporate and taxpayer level. Wind power is buffoonery given the intermittent generation profile. Solar is at least co-incident with peak cooling loads--almost.

To make any renewable pay off though you have to make up an externality cost like carbon fees.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I can make the case there is a huge disconnect coming in the electric power industry.…

Dollar to a donut says you most folks won’t ever get a C of O without a connection to a utility provider, even if it’s to backfeed excess generation. There are damn few mortgage underwriters that will lend on a property not connected to a generator.

Ain’t nobody going to be retrofitting urban/suburban homes and disconnecting from a transmission line in the next 75 years or more.

 

[TXAZ]

Dollar to a donut says you most folks won’t ever get a C of O without a connection to a utility provider, even if it’s to backfeed excess generation. There are damn few mortgage underwriters that will lend on a property not connected to a generator.

Ain’t nobody going to be retrofitting urban/suburban homes and disconnecting from a transmission line in the next 75 years or more.

Stay tuned ….

 

[Vaquero]

The transmission grid is "sufficient ".
The generation elements are the weak link.
Renewable generation works best when demand is at it's lowest.

Wind generation is great in the spring and fall. Everyone has the windows open or the AC is hardly running at all.
We know how wind generation is in the dead of winter.
Solar only gets a limited window for generation in the winter also. Short days don't heat long nights.
Solar has potential for summer, but the demand is gonna be hard to meet.
Plus, our hail and wind kinda like to tear things up in late spring. Just as it's getting hot.

We need more generation from a sustainable resource.
In TX, that's natural gas.
I don't care if you boil it for steam or run a peaker internal combustion generation plant, Texas has the ability to keep the lights on.

We just need a little elbow room to make it happen.

 

[oldag]

I think the renewables folks are big on spending other people's money at the corporate and taxpayer level. Wind power is buffoonery given the intermittent generation profile. Solar is at least co-incident with peak cooling loads--almost.

To make any renewable pay off though you have to make up an externality cost like carbon fees.

Yep. Without all the government mandates and especially the taxpayer funded subsidies, there would not be 1/4 the renewables that has been built.

 

[oldag]

The transmission grid is "sufficient ".
The generation elements are the weak link.
Renewable generation works best when demand is at it's lowest.

Wind generation is great in the spring and fall. Everyone has the windows open or the AC is hardly running at all.
We know how wind generation is in the dead of winter.
Solar only gets a limited window for generation in the winter also. Short days don't heat long nights.
Solar has potential for summer, but the demand is gonna be hard to meet.
Plus, our hail and wind kinda like to tear things up in late spring. Just as it's getting hot.

We need more generation from a sustainable resource.
In TX, that's natural gas.
I don't care if you boil it for steam or run a peaker internal combustion generation plant, Texas has the ability to keep the lights on.

We just need a little elbow room to make it happen.

Hit that nail squarely on the head.

We must have more generation that can produce on demand.

 

[OldPhart]

The transmission grid is "sufficient ".
The generation elements are the weak link.
Renewable generation works best when demand is at it's lowest.

Wind generation is great in the spring and fall. Everyone has the windows open or the AC is hardly running at all.
We know how wind generation is in the dead of winter.
Solar only gets a limited window for generation in the winter also. Short days don't heat long nights.
Solar has potential for summer, but the demand is gonna be hard to meet.
Plus, our hail and wind kinda like to tear things up in late spring. Just as it's getting hot.

We need more generation from a sustainable resource.
In TX, that's natural gas.
I don't care if you boil it for steam or run a peaker internal combustion generation plant, Texas has the ability to keep the lights on.

We just need a little elbow room to make it happen.

As an example of shortsightedness, Entergy is building a 1.2 GW plant next to the existing Sabine River plant off FM 1442. Are they going to leave the existing one intact for use on high demand days? Nope, they are deactivating 75% of it's capacity. Yet, they are touting that they are adding another 1.2 GW to the grid. They seem to have forgotten that they are taking 1.3 GW off the grid, a net loss. See the below paragraph and tables.

In granting approval to build OCAPS, the PUCT identified a need for additional dispatchable power generation in Entergy Texas' service area due to retiring existing generation and expected load growth. The primary driver is the planned deactivation of three of Entergy Texas' existing power plants — Sabine 1, 3 and 4 — by 2026.

Project Details​

Table 1: Unit-level details for Sabine power station​

Unit name	Status	Fuel(s)	Capacity (MW)	Technology	CHP[1]	Start year	Retired year
1	operating	gas	239 MW	steam turbine	no	1962	2023 (planned)
3	operating	gas	473 MW	steam turbine	no	1966	2026 (planned)
4	operating	gas	592 MW	steam turbine	no	1974	2026 (planned)
5	operating	gas	507 MW	steam turbine	no	1979	–

 

[oldag]

As an example of shortsightedness, Entergy is building a 1.2 GW plant next to the existing Sabine River plant off FM 1442. Are they going to leave the existing one intact for use on high demand days? Nope, they are deactivating 75% of it's capacity. Yet, they are touting that they are adding another 1.2 GW to the grid. They seem to have forgotten that they are taking 1.3 GW off the grid, a net loss. See the below paragraph and tables.

In granting approval to build OCAPS, the PUCT identified a need for additional dispatchable power generation in Entergy Texas' service area due to retiring existing generation and expected load growth. The primary driver is the planned deactivation of three of Entergy Texas' existing power plants — Sabine 1, 3 and 4 — by 2026.

Project Details​

Table 1: Unit-level details for Sabine power station​

Unit name	Status	Fuel(s)	Capacity (MW)	Technology	CHP[1]	Start year	Retired year
1	operating	gas	239 MW	steam turbine	no	1962	2023 (planned)
3	operating	gas	473 MW	steam turbine	no	1966	2026 (planned)
4	operating	gas	592 MW	steam turbine	no	1974	2026 (planned)
5	operating	gas	507 MW	steam turbine	no	1979	–

The old one is probably not economical to operate today.

 

[F350-6]

I plan on getting a whole house backup generator. We can't add power plants fast enough to compensate for the influx of people and the EV mandates that are going to outpace generation capacity.

 

[Vaquero]

The old one is probably not economical to operate today.

Or past being upgraded to EPA standards.
The feds are screwing the generation up on both ends. Penalties on the old reliable, tax breaks on the unreliable.

 

[Tnhawk]

As I drove to Sweetwater DMV today is was interesting to see the oil wells operating as I looked out the window in one direction and the wind mills as I looked the other direction.

 

[Tnhawk]

Or past being upgraded to EPA standards.
The feds are screwing the generation up on both ends. Penalties on the old reliable, tax breaks on the unreliable.

However unrealistic, the feds are determined to replace existing energy sources with renewable sources.

 

[easy rider]

Hadn't seen this thread before today. I'm feeling better about buying my solar generator now.

 

[Vaquero]

As I drove to Sweetwater DMV today is was interesting to see the oil wells operating as I looked out the window in one direction and the wind mills as I looked the other direction.

White flat road.

 

[MountainGirl]

However unrealistic, the feds are determined to replace existing energy sources with renewable sources.

They have to - to continue to take down the US.
Recently, the spud-in-chief vetoed the bi-partisan bill requiring Solar Panels etc to be manufactured in the US...keeping the door jammed wide-open for China to maintain it's 80% standing on all solar components. Not surprising; Brandon's still earning his 10%.

 

[oldag]

Or past being upgraded to EPA standards.
The feds are screwing the generation up on both ends. Penalties on the old reliable, tax breaks on the unreliable.

And with the new regulations Biden is imposing, it's gonna get even worse.

 

[Tnhawk]

And with the new regulations Biden is imposing, it's gonna get even worse.

Comrades bernie sanders, hessein obama and soros must be proud of the efforts of biden to destroy America one brick at a time.

 

[Axxe55]

Comrades bernie sanders, hessein obama and soros must be proud of the efforts of biden to destroy America one brick at a time.

ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE HUNG AS TRAITORS TO OUR COUNTRY!

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Comrades bernie sanders, hessein obama and soros must be proud of the efforts of biden to destroy America one brick at a time.

They know in advance since it is coming from them.

 

[Havok1]

Comrades bernie sanders, hessein obama and soros must be proud of the efforts of biden to destroy America one brick at a time.

More so, they are proud of themselves for putting Biden out in front of the camera while they run the country(into the ground) out of view.