The Importance of Free Speech

[Younggun]

Then we are in agreement. I would love to return America to a constitutionally limited Republic that was 90% White People where Blacks, Asians, and Native Americans were excluded from the Polity.

The difference is that I want to build it as peacefully as possible. Not with brutal conquest and ethnic armed conflict like the Founding Fathers did.

So, how do you intend to peacefully relocate millions of people against their will?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Interesting thread and having read ever post and to see if wander from the 1st Amend to how bad whitey is.


Let me start with this: "the Constitution is an old document written by a bunch of old white men who owned slaves and it’s not applicable to our society today"(by the way I first heard this when I was in college back in the 60's)


While the far left has been around as long as we have been a country it was not until the 60's that it rose to power. And it did it on the back of the Vietnam war. It might have worked had not the govt killed their argument and sent them running with their tails between their legs. When they ended the draft it really took the wind out of their sails.


Well they are back, and they learned their lesson of the 60's and this time around there is no draft...its racism and of course it’s based upon whitey.


There are 3 things in the old document that send the left into unhinged fits: Freedom of speech, Freedom of religion and RKBA, the 1stand 2ndAmendments. For years the far left has gone after the RKBA, because it is the crown jewel, take that away and you can round can the rest of the Constitution. But every attempt has failed and in fact has only resulted in a stronger RKBA 2nd.


The left has all but killed the ‘Freedom of religion”. In fact if you ask the younger set what the Constitution says, they will tell you it states: ‘Freedom FROM religion’ as this is what they have been taught. On that note, many schools teach it that way and when the Bill of Rights is taught, the 2ndRKBA is not even addressed.


The Left considers the religion a dead deal, they have won on that front, and now they are chasing the ‘Freedom of speech’ and has HUGE success. Call it dead.


Now they have linked Freedom of speech with ‘whiteness’ which is the racism card. Why? Perhaps something to do with the fact the white man in just over 200 years built the world greatest and freest society the world has ever seen, his capitalism drives the world’s economy, the world’s most powerful military and the highest standard of living the world has ever seen. So they attack everything and say to be white racism. Yet the white man welcomed all to the party and has given minorities more freedom and success than any country in history.


The Left is getting anxious to win the war and they do not see the election of Trump as a stopper because in fact HildaBeast got more votes than Trump. They are strong in numbers and they just had a minor setback back when he won.


Kill freedom of religion (done), then freedom of speech (on the way) and what happens to the RKBA?


If anyone wonders if this just some random hodge-podge babble of the far left and it will go away just like it did in the 70’s. WRONG! This is a well-funded, organized operation that is globally driven.


The real question is: What is the end game, IF there is one?


Yes, Charlotte there is an end game and its goals are many:


End of capitalism as we know it


One world govt


Crushing the influence of the white man and replacing him with minority rule and a socialist* based economy and a collective* society with a progressive govt (communism*)


Socialism, Collective, Communism. Are old terms, rarely used today and they have a bad vibe. I use them because I am an old fart and it's the terms I learned in the 50’s. That said, let me give you this: A pile of crap is a pile of crap and by any other name it’s still a pile of crap.

 

[Younggun]

I tend to agree with most of your post Ole Cowboy. The problem now is that we aren't seeing a battle between the US way of life and Tyranny by the minority, we are seeing a battle in which the US way of life is under attack by a tyranny of the minority from the left, and tyranny of the majority on the right. And by "left" and "right" I refer to the extremes of each.

 

[avvidclif]

I agree with the Old Cowboy except I see this as a country of Americans built by Americans, and if others wish to join expect them to be Americans. NOT Hyphenated Americans, just Americans. If you wish to live in a different system stay where it is the norm, don't try to change our system, IT WORKS.

 

[Younggun]

I agree with the Old Cowboy except I see this as a country of Americans built by Americans, and if others wish to join expect them to be Americans. NOT Hyphenated Americans, just Americans. If you wish to live in a different system stay where it is the norm, don't try to change our system, IT WORKS.

Yes. The hyphens are killing this country.

 

[mroper]

When I worked at Hp they had employee clubs -Womens club nope can't Join LBGT - nope can't Join
African-American Employees - nope can't join. I believe they had Hispanic/Latino and Asian clubs as well .
So what club am I to join ?

 

[Younggun]

Race and sexual orientation based clubs are stupid. But if you want one while the others are in existence next door you would have a strong case to fight to have one. Get a lawyer and go for it.

 

[pronstar]

My dad is from Virginia.
Mom a Vietnamese immigrant since 1968. And my mom freely admits that she's super racist, she's a 4' 9" Vietnamese woman who hates everyone except for white people

I was raised...American!
Parents wanted my siblings and I to assimilate into American culture. To be seen as Americans. Parents had no interest raising us in "Little Saigon" areas of SoCal...they left that behind for a reason.

We spoke English in our house. While I wish I was bi-lingual, I ain't. Parents wanted us to be Americans. To speak...American.

Went to proper Lutheran schools because all of the schools in my area of Orange County, in CA, were full of hispanics. Was among very few non-whites in K-12, took a lot of ribbing because I was "different" but I sucked it up, because I WAS different! But I made friends regardless.

And I don't need or want people treating me with kid-gloves because I'm different.

Respect is earned and not some given right because of the color of my skin.

I don't know how it happened, but true American ideals, values and exceptionalism fell by the wayside, even among many Americans. Believe me, in SoCal I've seen it, American who are apologists for "evil Americans" make me sick.

If anyone doesn't like me because of my heritage, not much I can do or say about that. That's your right, I've got plenty of folks to socialize with, as do you.

And if you don't like me not because of my heritage or race, but because I'm an @ssh0le, well, that's valid, too

There's lots of things and even people who I don't like either, and I'm not gonna try to convince people otherwise.

We have the right to like what we like. To associate with those who want want.

American isn't about holding hands singing Kumbaya with a bunch of snivelers.


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[avvidclif]

Try starting a White Miss America Pageant and see how well that goes over although there is a Black Miss America Pageant. Double standards. You have to be white to be a racist, doesn't exist if you are not white.

 

[Younggun]

I wonder how many are even aware of it...

But I must ask, what is the solution to this? My personal solution is to spread the idea that race based beauty contests are pretty lame, regardless of the race involved, and that nobody should care if there is one.

I guess I'm not sure what your getting at. If it's simply that whites are usually treated differently when attempting to start a race based organization, then yes. They are. But that's not something we aren't aware of and I don't believe it's being debated. If anything the debate is related to whether or not the Alt Right is doing anything to help this situation, or just allowing it to become a bigger issue with a solution that is just as bad.

 

[jrbfishn]

Any group that is working to favor a particular skin color is not working to make America better. Just adding to the problem.

from an idjit coffeeholic

 

[avvidclif]

Pointing out the current double-standard. The Alt's are fringe groups and as such are ignored by me, like what I do matters. I'm a voting member of the silent majority. I vote the person, not the party. Always have.

 

[TheDan]

So what club am I to join ?

TexasGunTalk

 

[Ole Cowboy]

I agree with the Old Cowboy except I see this as a country of Americans built by Americans, and if others wish to join expect them to be Americans. NOT Hyphenated Americans, just Americans. If you wish to live in a different system stay where it is the norm, don't try to change our system, IT WORKS.

I am with you 100%. In the 1600's we were 100% white and its gone down till today and 2010 census puts us at 72% white.

This begs the question as to how much dilution can we accept and at what rate?

I have a glass of 100% water. Lets use an eyedropper and drop by drop we add V8 juice, after each drop you take a drink and state where it tastes like water (no taste) or begins to taste like V8 and no longer water?

Up until WWII the Immigrants to the US came for a better life, like my family. They left England for 2 reasons: 1) Religion (Church of England) and 2) Right to keep and bear arms. Interesting huh? They came here because of our Constitution and its Bill of Rights. I heard this from both my granddad and my father. Not sure exactly when they came here, but I do know they were a part of what is called the "Austin's Old 300" (very early 1800's original land grant families). Today you ask anyone* why they come to America and its for the 'free lunch' program...welfare,m food stamps, medical care, housing, cell fone.

To make matter worse there is the unknown illegals that are here. Immigration (illegal) has been a topic at least going back to the 60's and interesting in that the Left said then and says today its only about 10 Million. I have seen other estimates that put the total illegals closer to 20 Mi and I think is more believable.

Then there is the shades of gray like DACA etc. DACA has about 800,000 and while the govt/LEFT will have us believe that DACA is producing Doctors, Engineers and rockets scientists facts do not bear that out. In fact only about 5% have a 4 year education according to the Migration Policy Institute.

The sole purpose is to create more Left voters. Illegals can vote just like you or I and the Left is depending upon the Illegal vote in 2020 to take down Trump.



* Certains groups do not come here for the free lunch such as Asians.

 

[benenglish]

When I worked at Hp they had employee clubs -Womens club nope can't Join LBGT - nope can't Join
African-American Employees - nope can't join. I believe they had Hispanic/Latino and Asian clubs as well .
So what club am I to join ?

A high-level planning meeting is going on to set the agenda for a 3-day, all-employee meeting where ~2500 people will all be in the same room.

It is decided that each employee organization (Hispanic, Black, etc.) will be given a 15-minute slot to talk about their cultural contributions to the organization, Texas, or whatever they choose to talk about.

As that conversation winds down, the oldest, whitest, most out-of-touch guy in the room bellows out "OK, so when's the slot for the white people?"

The room freezes. Everyone is striving to be a model of political correctness and no one wants to speak first. Finally, the chairman (much to his credit) says "Well, as a recognizable cultural entity, a presentation on European contributions wouldn't be out of order. Are we agreed?"

The black, hispanic, asian, etc. club leaders are stunned by the suggestion but they're so politically correct they can't bring themselves to accuse anyone of racism when that person is perfectly modeling their own behavior in the meeting thus far. Almost silently, they give their agreement.

The guy who thought it up then started brainstorming out loud about ideas for the presentation. His first thought was to pay homage to his own people (from somewhere in the British Isles) by coming on stage drunk. (No, I am not making this up.)

By acclimation, he gets shut down.

As some of you who know me might remember, I spent most of my career as a fixer, traveling to places to fix weird stuff that nobody else wanted to touch. The chairman knew this; I'd done plenty of work for him in the past.

Fast-forward 5 months.

I can now list on my CV the following line - "Wrote and presented to a large audience a comedic lecture on the historical and cultural contributions of white people to the State of Texas, as told via the medium of interpretive dance."

tl;dr - Paying too much attention to and being too respectful of racial identity can lead you to some damn weird places.

 

[Younggun]

Don't think I've ever stopped reading one of Bens posts mid way.

 

[Charlie Primero]

Multiculturalism is a major issue because it's going to create conflict between the cultures, get rid of that and simply cling to American culture based around Nationalism and basic human rights.

Nation is ethnicity. The Latin word Natio means natal, birth, nativity, genetics.

Black's Law Dictionary defines a nation as:
A people, or aggregation of men, existing in the form of an organized jural society, usually inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth, speaking the same language, using the same customs, possessing historic continuity, and distinguished from other like groups by their racial origin and characteristics, and generally, but not necessarily, living under the same government and sovereignty.

Perhaps the U.S. has some kind of Magic Dirt that wipes away a thousand years of language, custom, history, and genetics, and transforms 70 I.Q. Somali Muslims into hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding, football-loving 100 I.Q. Minnesotans.

America was built by and for White People. As White People die out, there will be no more "American Culture".

Or, perhaps I just don't understand how your transformative Magic Dirt operates.

 

[Younggun]

Damn. And here I was thinking it was built for freedom from tyranny and the securely of certain inalienable rights. Not sure where I got that idea...

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Nation is ethnicity. The Latin word Natio means natal, birth, nativity, genetics.

Black's Law Dictionary defines a nation as:
A people, or aggregation of men, existing in the form of an organized jural society, usually inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth, speaking the same language, using the same customs, possessing historic continuity, and distinguished from other like groups by their racial origin and characteristics, and generally, but not necessarily, living under the same government and sovereignty.

Perhaps the U.S. has some kind of Magic Dirt wipes away a thousand years of language, custom, history, and genetics, and transforms 70 I.Q. Somali Muslims into hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding, football-loving 100 I.Q. Minnesotans.

America was built by and for White People. As White People die out, there will be no more "American Culture".

Or, perhaps I just don't understand how your transformative Magic Dirt operates.

Not often I go to a mall, but I was in a VERY large one just before Christmas.

WOW, I was odd man out to say the least in jeans, cowboy boots, hat and a Cabella shirt. Women dress in sheets, some had nothing but slits for eyes and I live in S texas San Antonio area. Of course parking lot FULL of Mexican plated cars. Conversations where in Mexican and a host of other gibberish I could understand but black headed men with beards and wives in sheets.

As for Minnesota, glad I am not there as I understand it is Muslim central USA.

The US is a Christian based country and when you bring in MILLIONS of Muslims, don't expect them to come to Jesus...

We just had an 8 year rein of a black radical Muslim, socialist POTUS, he won't be the last...and the next one will be OPEN about it and I would not doubt be gay or lesbian or maybe fill in both boxes by being transgender, woman when speaking to women't groups, man when speaking to mens groups.

 

[Charlie Primero]

Damn. And here I was thinking it was built for freedom from tyranny and the securely of certain inalienable rights. Not sure where I got that idea...

You may have gotten it from the U.S. Constitution which says:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/posterity

I don't think old Tommy Jefferson wrote that for Abdula Ackbar's baby she was able to squeeze out at the Houston Inter-Continental Holiday Inn on a layover.