Which shows a great ignorance of the weapons actually used in the large majority civilian self defense encounters.
Heck, given the choice artillery trumps rifles. By your logic, we should not worry about anything that isn't artillery. Silly.
So they why do you keep harping on rifles? Sheesh. Broken record.We as civilians use hanguns because #1, rifles are too bulky, and too obvious
#2, getting into combat isn't a constant threat in our day to day lives
#3, when we do get into a fight, a pistol is quite often more than enough.
Nope. Initial ww1 loading was 124 grains. Early into ww2 the germans transistions to a lightweight (less than 90 grain) load to save resources.
Europe had been using 124gr for pistols forever, 115gr became a thing mainly for use with SMG's.
And when the wonder nine revolution hit the US, it was with 124gr, obviously 115gr was super common, but using practice/plinking ammo as the "standard" just because its what's common is purposely missing the forrest for the trees
The idea that ".45acp started out better" is common, but it still cost more, had more recoil, and the difference between .45acp and 9mm fmj, while more obvious than 45 jhp vs 9 jhp, is very minor. Neither expand and both have great penetration
Add in the fact .45 is more expensive, more recoil, less capacity, and I'd still give the nod to 9mm.
Ballistically, no one pistol caliber is better than the other. FMJ or JHP.
The real factors are, once again, capacity, recoil, cost.
You are getting wrapped up in ballistics for no reason. Handguns suck for fighting, thats why people who fight carry rifles, not .45's with JHP's
Everything else being the same, does anyone really think a 9mm in 115 grains is any better or worse one in 124 grains?
Reliablilty of rimfire cartidges are poor, and .22lr lacks the penetration to serve as a good duty caliber.
10K for a 1911? Wow!
10K for a 1911? Wow!
Not many retired school teachers do!Lots of customs start at that price.
OP musta fell off into the vodak.
WOW, I'm confused, what was this thread about again?
WOW, I'm confused, what was this thread about again?