Three simple points - health care debate

Discussion in 'Politics' started by M. Sage, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. M. Sage

    M. Sage TGT Addict

    Jan 21, 2009
    San Antonio
    I'm sick of being called "violent". I'm sick of being told to sit down and shut up. I'm sick of being called a shill for the Republican party, insurance companies or anybody else. I oppose Obamacare because I oppose it, not because anybody told me to.

    I'll use my voice to speak out loudly against this plan because it is wrong. I've been told I should stop my opposition because Obamacare would benefit me, and they're probably right in that I would see some benefit from Obamacare: I'm one of those uninsured people you hear about. But even though a law may benefit me, I will not support it if it is wrong to do so, which it is in this case.

    Want me and others like me to quit shouting you down? Want us to actually discuss and debate instead of digging in our heels and screaming "no"? Well then, show me where Obamacare isn't on the wrong side of the following three points:

    • Obamacare is being sold on the premise that health care is a "right." Health care and medicine are the products of someone's labor, and declaring that you have a right to the products of another's labor, or declaring that you have a right to tell those people how much their labor is worth and they get no say in the matter? I'm sorry, but that's the very definition of slavery.
    • Telling others that they don't have the right to profit, and indeed that profit is evil? Profiting from your work is not evil, it's the only reason to work! Without profit, there is no legitimate incentive to work. The only incentive that could be left is that you are forced to work.
    • Last, and definitely not least, point to anything in the Constitution where the federal government is granted the authority to pass a bill like Obamacare into law.
    The first two points are that Obamacare is tantamount to slavery. Denying someone a profit from their labor while you profit from that labor yourself is the very definition of slavery. The last shows that Obamacare is unlawful, as it is not in the Constitutional powers granted Congress, the President or the Federal Government to enact such a "plan".

    I have yet to find an Obamacare supporter who has even tried to argue any of these three things. Feel free to share this in any other forum. Print them out if you'd like. Take it to a town hall and ambush a Congresscritter with them.

    Written by yours truly, M. Sage.

  2. FreedomJoyAdventure

    FreedomJoyAdventure Member

    Oct 13, 2008
    Quoting you on my blog, amigo.
  3. M. Sage

    M. Sage TGT Addict

    Jan 21, 2009
    San Antonio
    Thanks! Got a link to your blog (though I could probably just Google what I wrote)?
  4. texas1willy2

    texas1willy2 Active Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    Thanks thats a very well thought out point of view. The thing that gets me about the heath-care is a right crowd is why would they want to reward people that choose to do nothing and expect the rest of the population to carry their weight? (not to mention the illegal population)
    This taking from one to give to another will remove all the incentive for hard work.
  5. oldguy

    oldguy Well-Known

    Mar 6, 2008
    This administration in my opinion simply does not regard the Constitution as an important document, certainly the far left wishes to minimize any authority that the constitution follows. I'm not sure the American public as a whole understand the dangerous times we are living in, that is in terms of losing freedom, while I've seen it chewed away in bits and pieces throughout my life they are now going for the entire pie.
  6. GM.Chief

    GM.Chief Well-Known

    Mar 16, 2009
    Excellent write up. Agree 100%

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