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We are under the impression if it happens, there will be a date set it goes into effect. Basically, if it does happen they will put it into effect 30-60 days after. So pending submissions, and new submissions until X date will most likely be fine.
A larger problem will be inventory if it goes through... there could be a panic mode to buy products.
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It's a complicated issue. We have had "final action dates" that got pushed back. So, it could just get pushed back and pushed back more for who knows how long.
It's not "banning" anything, it just makes the trust route a whole lot more work. I'm as opposed to it as you are, but also realize that there's bills for "Shall sign" regarding CLEO and NFA items. If 41P makes things complicated, I can see a "shall sign" bill going through. More work, but if you want a NFA item it still can happen.
The question though, if everyone with a trust had to get CLEO signoff and prints taken... what will that do on an economic level. $200 is a steep tax for little work on the ATF's side. Money talks...
I have been wondering if requiring signatures would give some solid footing for someone to go to court and try to get a judgement for "shall sign".
Not sure how it would work, but it seems like if people have no other option it would be solid grounds for infringement. And if the case went high enough it could also possibly effect states that ban suppressors altogether (and maybe strike down Texas's silly NFA laws).
Not sure how it would work, but it seems like if people have no other option it would be solid grounds for infringement. And if the case went high enough it could also possibly effect states that ban suppressors altogether (and maybe strike down Texas's silly NFA laws).
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Give NFAFA.org - Protecting NFA Owners, Manufacturers, and Dealers a look. That gentleman pushes for a lot of things that could help us out (extra important with 41P). As a disclaimer, we aren't associated with him in any way and I don't know a lot about what he does... but there's some information on what he's trying to propose. Maybe worth a look, maybe not.
Not sure I agree. It very well could, but the ATF is spending a lot of extra money right now trying to keep up with form 4s. Eforms has removed much of the load and helped them keep up.
41P would screw that up and may put everything back to paper. With the volume they are dealing with now, I really don't think the ATF wants that.
I'm just speculating.
( in response to Rebel)
41P would screw that up and may put everything back to paper. With the volume they are dealing with now, I really don't think the ATF wants that.
I'm just speculating.
( in response to Rebel)
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E-Forms (well, according to ATF) should be back in action for Form 4's at the end of the year. So... they're at least trying to get E-Forms working smoothly again. (I wish they would just get them working on Wednesday, that's frustrating.)
Tejano Scott
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I still don't understand why people think 41P and eFile can't exist at same time. Trying to apply sane logic to predict govt action is insane. I hope yall are right.
Tejano Scott
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Defeats whose purpose? Yours? The ATF didn't put up eFile for our convenience, even if it's had that affect.
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41P basically makes everyone on a trust go the individual route for an item. So if you have a trust, everyone still has to go down for CLEO signoff and all of that mess associated with the individual route. You still have to do the Form 4, submit trust, then a 4473... but now you would also have the CLEO sign and all that other hassle added into the mix.
