Transgenders in the military? Brought to you by the socialist revolution.

[Ole Cowboy]

Let's see how America has progressed: Gay rights. Gay marriage, school kids in California using whatever restroom they "identify" with, no Nativity scenes or crosses on public property, taking "Christ" out of Christmas, no more prayer in school, can't wear an american flag t-shirt on cinco de Mayo, Federal government refuses to enforce constitutionally passed laws such as DOMA, the "knock-out game", 72% of Black children are born out of wedlock, Putin bitch-slapping Obama at every turn, national debt now exceeds $17,000,000,000,000.00 and now some of you are "Meh!" about trans-genders in the military? What! You think that's $#@!ing progress!?!?! You need to re-think which side of right you want to be on. I sure as $#@! know which side I'm on, no moral ambivalence here!

WOW, you drove a lot of nails in the wall and how true they are.

In order for the current rage of 'progressive-government' to succeed it has to like all of its communist-socialist brethren before it replace GOD in our society. In order to do that the people have to be think-shifted to see the government and its leader as the new GOD. And their argument is a strong one for the easily led...when was the last time YOUR GOD gave you a cell fone, paid your utility bill, gave you food (stamps), gave you healthcare and the beat goes on. Government is good, Obama (fill in your next choice) is all powerful and will take care of you unlike YOUR GOD. Of course we all know the result, Obama is not a GOD, nor is the government and neither will pizz in your mouth if your guts were on fire. In fact they will like all governments in the past murder you and your family, just like Clinton/Reno did at Waco.

The siren song of socialism sings so sweetly...

 

[Sapper740]

Sorry about the cussing but moral relativists really hack me off.

 

[TheDan]

Expand on this criticism if you'd be so kind so I can better form an accurate response.

More of an observation than a criticism. It seems to that you would like to live in a place where not necessarily the government regulates things, but where there is some type of HOA that has a lot of property restrictions to include restrictions based on your moral principals. That is all fine and dandy. I support people's rights to live in the type of community they want. Just don't expect everyone else to live there with you, and if you setup your HOA next door to my property don't expect me to conform to the rules you set for inside your HOA.

 

[TheDan]

It is a shame that the conservatives and libertarians are at some point probably going to have it out and have to form new alliances. I hope its after we are forced to confront the socialists and liberals at least and at best things can be mended.

lmao... Why the hell are you so combative? I'm perfectly fine with you being as "conservative" (I would say traditionalist instead, but hey... it's your label) as you want, and only associate with the people you want. We only have a problem when you expect others to conform to your standards.

 

[oldguy]

Sorry about the cussing but moral relativists really hack me off.

No need to be sorry as your right on, our country is turning into pit of liberalism and that only brings evil. Some folks know this, some don't care others simply look away and chose to believe it will be ok meanwhile we've lost an entire generation of kids.

 

[TAVM]

lmao... Why the hell are you so combative? I'm perfectly fine with you being as "conservative" (I would say traditionalist instead, but hey... it's your label) as you want, and only associate with the people you want. We only have a problem when you expect others to conform to your standards.

you mean the way liberals try to get everyone to conform to their socialist agendas, moral deviancy, and distain for the constitution?

 

[London]

Instead of debating whose in the military why don't we continue to focus on the guy in charge of it?

 

[Dredens]

you mean the way liberals try to get everyone to conform to their socialist agendas, moral deviancy, and distain for the constitution?

It's still a two-way road right there. If you want to be able to force others to conform to your standards, don't be surprised if they try to do the same to you. Yes, I prefer to live and let live when possible.

Yes, this nation was founded by mostly Christian forefathers on many mostly Christian principles (which people seem to forget are almost universally shared by most cultures at the basis of it).

However, the often missed point of the founding of this nation is that it was not founded with a basis of freedom of religion, it was founded with a basis of freedom from religion. Freedom from having what someone else may believe extending over your individual rights.

People forget that many of the original colonists left their countries due to religious and economic oppression so that they could be free to exercise whatever beliefs they may believe in without fear that someone else's beliefs will override their own.

I'm sensing a lot of that exact same fear in a lot of the hardliner conservatives. They must be scared that what others are practicing as to what the others believe is right will eventually override their own practices and the practices of their families. If they're not going to do so, then there should not be any credible reason to believe that it would. If it is in fact not going to, then why be so up in arms about it? If it is in fact going to encroach on your family then talk to your family about it and reinforce your beliefs with them. No one is going to put a gun to your head and make you be gay/lesbian/transgender/etc.

Now, since many of you might not have made it this far in the read for various reasons, I'll say this: No, I do not agree with the transgender lifestyle. No, I do not agree with this emerging ultra-liberal legislation. No, I do not support the degredation of the Constitutional rights.

However, I am not arrogant enough to believe that what I believe should be forced upon others whom may believe differently (except for the whole degredation of Constitutional rights thing. That's unacceptable). Just because I do not support the transgender lifestyle, does not mean that I believe they should be barred from military service.

Just as much as I believe that Christians should be able to practice Christianity all they want without being bothered. A person's personal preferences and ideals are just that: personal. They have no place in the professional workplace. All people in the professional workplace need to do is treat eachother professionally and with dignity and respect. I believe that goes equally for both sides of the argument. Just as much as I'll accept a transgender into my squad so long as they keep their personal life personal, I'll also expect the same from my Christian soldiers.

 

[Sapper740]

However, the often missed point of the founding of this nation is that it was not founded with a basis of freedom of religion, it was founded with a basis of freedom from religion.

Who taught you that nonsense?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

It's still a two-way road right there. If you want to be able to force others to conform to your standards, don't be surprised if they try to do the same to you. Yes, I prefer to live and let live when possible.

Yes, this nation was founded by mostly Christian forefathers on many mostly Christian principles (which people seem to forget are almost universally shared by most cultures at the basis of it).

However, the often missed point of the founding of this nation is that it was not founded with a basis of freedom of religion, it was founded with a basis of freedom from religion. Freedom from having what someone else may believe extending over your individual rights.

People forget that many of the original colonists left their countries due to religious and economic oppression so that they could be free to exercise whatever beliefs they may believe in without fear that someone else's beliefs will override their own.

I'm sensing a lot of that exact same fear in a lot of the hardliner conservatives. They must be scared that what others are practicing as to what the others believe is right will eventually override their own practices and the practices of their families. If they're not going to do so, then there should not be any credible reason to believe that it would. If it is in fact not going to, then why be so up in arms about it? If it is in fact going to encroach on your family then talk to your family about it and reinforce your beliefs with them. No one is going to put a gun to your head and make you be gay/lesbian/transgender/etc.

Now, since many of you might not have made it this far in the read for various reasons, I'll say this: No, I do not agree with the transgender lifestyle. No, I do not agree with this emerging ultra-liberal legislation. No, I do not support the degredation of the Constitutional rights.

However, I am not arrogant enough to believe that what I believe should be forced upon others whom may believe differently (except for the whole degredation of Constitutional rights thing. That's unacceptable). Just because I do not support the transgender lifestyle, does not mean that I believe they should be barred from military service.

Just as much as I believe that Christians should be able to practice Christianity all they want without being bothered. A person's personal preferences and ideals are just that: personal. They have no place in the professional workplace. All people in the professional workplace need to do is treat eachother professionally and with dignity and respect. I believe that goes equally for both sides of the argument. Just as much as I'll accept a transgender into my squad so long as they keep their personal life personal, I'll also expect the same from my Christian soldiers.

I think you kinda contradicted yourself in the first 2 para. The Constitution is very specific, its "freedom OF religion" not from it. The "from" clause is stated elsewhere as the "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" in the Declaration of Independence.

The reality is that in my career in the military I no doubt commanded gays, transgenders, bank robbers, murderers etc etc. Fact i should not know and we accomplished that very well under don't ask, don't tell. But now we are entering into a Corporal Klinger Army. Now some guy can show up for formation in a skirt and the only thing I can do it tell him he is out of uniform of the day, anything else I say will only serve to label me as a racist bigot. So if Corporal Klinger does not get promoted he files a EOC complaint and says it because I don't like tranny's. FACT: look for massive command and control issues in the future and a command structure based upon LGVTQ & P (P Plural marriage). The only way to insure a non biased enviro is to put them in the command structure.

We already have a military of quotas, now we are going to add more to the mix. There is a semi-secret org that is composed of Blacks. They are all powerful inside the military. How powerful, they see the Command list and Promotion list BEFORE its released only their lists has race identified. They do not address specific names on the list but do approve or disapprove the number and positions of blacks in the command structure.

Now before someone tries to call me on this or says I have no idea what I am talking about I will tell you how I know:

Late one night I get a call from the Pentagon at home, I am assigned to a 4 Star Command and work on prime staff. There is a COL who is to brief the next day and he has run into a computer problem. I get called, get his number and run over to the Hotel, I cannot fix there but will need to get it back to my office. I take it in and go to work on getting his briefing fixed. I extract the files and load them into a new version of Powerpoint to be compatible with his. I am looking at a PPT briefing and making minor format changes as a result of the issue he had. I cannot believe my eyes. I am looking at the Command list and the Capt and above promotion list by rank, branch and RACE. I read the slides, I was blown away, thinking all along if he COL was white and had access to this info somebody would be in jail.

I get it all fixed up, run over to his hotel, we boot up his computer and run thru it. He thanks me and looks me dead in the eye and says: "consider this classified info and YOU have seen nothing!"...Sir, yes SIR! I head out to try and get a few winks before I have to be in the office...

 

[TheDan]

you mean the way liberals try to get everyone to conform to their socialist agendas, moral deviancy, and distain for the constitution?

Exactly! Progressives and traditionalists tend to behave similarly in that regard.

 

[BIGPAPIGREG]

 

[TX69]

Why chicks with dicks are a mentally stable group. Round up these Libtards and let some trans gendered dudettes babysit their children for a week.

 

[Younggun]

Lol, terrible example. Has nothing to do with mental stability, just personal choice and what example you want your kids to have.

 

[NOLA Jack]

Not sure if this made it into the thread, but here it is anyways

Former Navy SEAL comes out as transgender: 'I want some happiness' - CNN.com

 

[TheDan]

Not sure if this made it into the thread, but here it is anyways

Former Navy SEAL comes out as transgender: 'I want some happiness' - CNN.com

She wrote about the experience in a book, "Warrior Princess: A U.S. Navy SEAL's Journey to Coming out Transgender."

Is this for real?

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Is this for real?

Yes, saw him/her being interviewed on TV (no pun intended). Which only goes to prove the point of don't ask don't tell. What you do in the privacy of your quarters in your private off duty life is NONE of my business, DO NOT make it my business. Sadly that is no longer the case and this will destroy our military.

The military has 1 top level mission and one only...To fight the opposing forces (to wage war). That said the military is in a constant state of either fighting a war or training to fight a war, nowhere in that do we find a need for open sexual displays...

 

[NOLA Jack]

It's weird how different people see different things. You saw the article and got that, I saw the article and saw that a tranny was mentally stable enough to take on what is arguably one of the most demanding jobs in our armed forces.

 

[TheDan]

It's weird how different people see different things. You saw the article and got that, I saw the article and saw that a tranny was mentally stable enough to take on what is arguably one of the most demanding jobs in our armed forces.

...and all I saw was the ridiculous book title Warrior Princess lol

 

[Dredens]

...and all I saw was the ridiculous book title Warrior Princess lol

Yeah, that whole situation was a bit more theatrical than it ever should have been.