Transgenders in the military? Brought to you by the socialist revolution.

[London]

And next there will be what? A training battalion full of humans with both breasts and a swinging Richard?

Not likely. How many TGs are even interested in joining the military? They'll get, what, MAYBE one every couple of years across all branches?

 

[breakingcontact]

I dont know. Might be the next big thing after the gays get their "rights". Then "queers". Their term. Not a slur. Those people who dont identify with either sex. Then go back and forth between them. Where my polygamists at? Need to get them "rights" son! Then the next group then the next.

 

[London]

I dont know. Might be the next big thing after the gays get their "rights". Then "queers". Their term. Not a slur. Those people who dont identify with either sex. Then go back and forth between them. Where my polygamists at? Need to get them "rights" son! Then the next group then the next.

Giving people more rights to do things that don't hurt others? Now you're cookin' with gas!

 

[Younggun]

What's wrong with polygamy? Well, besides having more than one wife to argue with.....

 

[breakingcontact]

Giving people more rights to do things that don't hurt others? Now you're cookin' with gas!

And we are back to the libertarian view of each person living in a bubble. If you and I are farmers...what I do with my farm doesnt stay on my farm. It affects your farm too.

 

[Younggun]

What are you doing on your farm?

Are we talking animal rights, sexual type stuff, videos? If it's in the open I think that makes it public and I can record it and sell for a profit.



Seriously though, what's your farm doing? Is it something that violates the rights of the neighbor?

 

[TAVM]

1.) The old ridiculous "It goes against nature argument."

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Males have intercourse with females to procreate. Period." LOLZ. Where have you been for the last several million years? Did you even go to high school?

Actually, I have an advanced education and am a military vet. Thanks for asking.

Do you know why there are animals in nature that display "homosexual behavior?" Because of the same reasons humans do: they're not wired right. The majority of each species is wired correctly...a few will not be.

Your argument is the same as saying that "it's ok for a Ford to come off the assembly line broken because Dodge's, Lincolns, Toyota's, and Nissan's do too."

All things in nature will have deviance to the obvious norm. Animals aren't exempt from that. So that disproves nothing.

2.) No, and no. As to the first count, when I was in almost no one gave a shit. As to the second count, if anything they pander to it.

Correction...YOU didn't give a shit. You can't speak for the entire military. I was in too, and we corrected one of our guys for being too flamboyant because it was causing problems in the unit.

3.) Group showers always come across as gay and those questions are going to be there no matter what. What, you seriously believe gay people haven't "Snuck into" the military when they were banned? How many times does a person even have to shower with them anyway? Couldn't this problem be easily solved by installing private stalls?

It's not just group showers. It's being in the same showering area...because guess what? People will walk to and from the shower without a towel as well. As far as sneaking in...the reason it "worked" is because no one knew. If know one knows, then it doesn't disrupt anything. That's why the don't ask don't tell policy didn't bother me. It's when we have to change the military to conform to a small subgroups desires that I (and many others in and out of the military) have a problem.

4.) More BS. The standards you talk about are clearly defined and NOT subject to interpretation. At worst some new standards will have to written, which will probably make several Majors and Lt. Cols. have several orgasms now that they have some new mundane thing to write pages of regulations for.

The standards are. The people aren't...or won't be if lib's have their way.

"I'm all for equal rights of each and every person... except when I'm not." FIFY.

"A mental disorder is a mental disorder." LOZ. Homosexuality hasn't been classified by as a mental disorder since the 1973 in the US and 1992 worldwide.

"The definition of marriage is the definition of marriage." Then define it, please, and explain why it has some magical properties no other law has which prevent it from ever being changed.

"The military functions best under a fully uniformed structure--mind,body, and spirit."

What the Hell is this even supposed to mean?

I'm for equal rights of men and women. A abnormal sexual preference doesn't give you any right to try and change the way men and women live and work on the whole. In fact...it shouldn't even be an issue. Like you said...if they want to join the military that's fine. But if you're a man that's going to make everything about you liking peepee's, then there's a problem.

Regardless of what the world does as far as psychological classifications go, it's more politics than actual belief. You'd be surprised at how many psychologist and those in the psychiatric community don't agree with those changes.

As to the last bit, you were in the military, or so you say. So you should know exactly what that means.

 

[Younggun]

I think your post was pretty well put as a civil discussion and stating the basis for your opinions......but you completely lost me at the last paragraph with "or so you say".

Whether or not you agree, questioning someone's military service with no evidence otherwise is just a chicken shit thing to do.

 

[breakingcontact]

Seriously though, what's your farm doing? Is it something that violates the rights of the neighbor?

Theres a 1000 specific analogies.

My point is that we are indeed all connected. I need to study this libertarian rejection of that reality. Its anti-social it seems.

 

[matefrio]

Strong kingdoms time after time have been destroyed not by other armies but by moral decay.

Letting immorality or wickedness run unchecked just helps bring down the nation.

 

[TAVM]

I think your post was pretty well put as a civil discussion and stating the basis for your opinions......but you completely lost me at the last paragraph with "or so you say".

Whether or not you agree, questioning someone's military service with no evidence otherwise is just a chicken shit thing to do.

You mean like saying someone didn't graduate high school simply because they disagree? LOL. My statement wasn't at all chicken shit or demeaning. It's saying that if you served as you say...then you'll understand.

 

[Younggun]

Not anti social in any way, just the acceptance that something can be aggravating and we may disagree with it, but realize it does not infringe on our rights.

If the neighbor farmer uses a 30 year old jug of Permatol to spray his fence line and it washes in to my fields, he violates my rights by damaging my property. If he has 3 wives and all are happy I have had no rights violated, even if I think it is morally wrong.

 

[Younggun]

You mean like saying someone didn't graduate high school simply because they disagree? LOL. My statement wasn't at all chicken shit or demeaning. It's saying that if you served as you say...then you'll understand.

So you imply that since he said "what the hell does that even mean" he doesn't understand....must not have served.

It was chicken shit.

 

[breakingcontact]

Not anti social in any way, just the acceptance that something can be aggravating and we may disagree with it, but realize it does not infringe on our rights.

If the neighbor farmer uses a 30 year old jug of Permatol to spray his fence line and it washes in to my fields, he violates my rights by damaging my property. If he has 3 wives and all are happy I have had no rights violated, even if I think it is morally wrong.

Him having 3 wives doesnt affect you? What if you dont have a wife? Am I calling for the state to redistribute his wives? No. But it does affect you.

 

[Younggun]

C'mon BC, that can't really be your reasoning can it? I can't get a wife because he is marrying all the women?

Lol, who a woman chooses to marry is not my concern, even if she chooses another man instead of me. It does not violate my rights in any way, even if it were to hurt my feelings.

Those are not the types of effects laws should be based on and that's probably the worst example you've ever given.

 

[breakingcontact]

C'mon BC, that can't really be your reasoning can it? I can't get a wife because he is marrying all the women?

Lol, who a woman chooses to marry is not my concern, even if she chooses another man instead of me. It does not violate my rights in any way, even if it were to hurt my feelings.

Those are not the types of effects laws should be based on and that's probably the worst example you've ever given.

You put it out there and I responded.

What if your neighbor didnt vaccinate his cattle and your cattle got sick? Isn't it his right not to vaccinate his cattle?

 

[Younggun]

And be responsible for the damages he causes.

 

[London]

You mean like saying someone didn't graduate high school simply because they disagree?

I never accused you of not graduating, I asked a rhetorical question.

It's saying that if you served as you say...then you'll understand.

Nope.

Him having 3 wives doesnt affect you? What if you dont have a wife? Am I calling for the state to redistribute his wives? No. But it does affect you.

That advanced degree didn't happen to be a PHD (Playa Hata Degree), did it?

 

[breakingcontact]

And be responsible for the damages he causes.

And if he didnt take care of his fence and his cattle broke down the fence...he would have to take care of the damages.

If he started drinking and let his property grow up and wolves moved in and started killing your cattle?

 

[breakingcontact]

Another example for YG...you and I are neighbors in a subdivision...no HOA. I got a Chevy up on blocks, let my house run down, weeds 3 feet tall. Am I not affecting your property value without violating your rights?