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  • matefrio

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    Good idea of what this is.

    Understanding the new Alabama "Strict Scrutiny on the 2nd Amendment" Constitutional Change : guns

    Alabama just passed, by popular vote, a (state) constitutional amendment (#3 on the statewide ballot) changing how the courts are supposed to look at any law, policy or government action that limits self defense and/or "gun rights".

    The short form: my prediction is that this change to the constitution will allow new lawsuits to succeed that strike down various aspects of AL's gun and weapons control policies. However, there's an odd fly in the ointment: the amendment was billed as "won't cost us anything" when in fact it will in some challenges - not a lot, but the costs may cause the courts to try and limit the changes.

    My credentials: I'm a former paid lobbyist and grassroots activist in California who worked for CCRKBA.org (political sister org to SAF, Second Amendment Foundation) from 2003-2005. Then and prior I was extremely active in the California CCW fight, and I'm a veteran of almost half a dozen civil rights lawsuits since (mostly on electronic voting issues). What I'm about to tell you about "strict scrutiny" and how it applies to gun laws comes from a conversation that lasted several hours with attorney Don B. Kates, the "grand old Master" of the California gun law fights and who used to work for Dr. King in the civil rights movement.
    So. We have to start with what "strict scrutiny" means.

    The first thing Don explained to me is that the government CAN discriminate by law or by policy. The court has placed limits ("levels of scrutiny") on the discrimination based on the circumstances.
    The most extreme level is "strict scrutiny", which normally kicks in in one of two ways: the right being limited is "very fundamental" OR the discrimination is along the lines of race, religion, national origin or the like. So for example, the right to park somewhere might not be very fundamental but if there's racial discrimination in the issuance of parking permits that discrimination is going to be shot down in court. The other example is how the 1st Amendment is handled - limitations on free speech for example are going to be subject to strict scrutiny.

    The implications of strict scrutiny:

    First, to survive the scrutiny the law or policy has to be doing civil rights limitations to fix something really vital, and must be "narrowly tailored" to do that. In other words, if there's a less-restrictive way to accomplish the "vital" goal, the more restrictive limitation that is being sued over loses.

    Here's why the AL amendment was necessary:

    There have been a slew of challenges to severe limitations on carry permit access in states like New York, New Jersey, Maryland and California where carry permits exist but they're handled on a "discretionary" basis. Federal appellate courts (three judge panels) ruled in the first three that limitations on the 2nd Amendment should be dealt with on an "intermediate scrutiny" basis instead of strict scrutiny, meaning that the 2nd Amendment isn't as "fundamental" as the 1st Amendment. Under "intermediate scrutiny" the courts over the first three states listed decided that limiting gun carry permits to the "social and political elite" was OK. The court in California (Peruta case, 9th Circuit) didn't decide on a standard of scrutiny but did say that limited permit access was NOT all right in that state and Hawaii. Those 9th Circuit cases are being appealed so there's no legal changes to carry permits in play yet but Guam decided to do non-discriminatory permits regardless. The US Supreme Court decided not to hear appeals in the New York (Kachalski), New Jersey (Drake) or Maryland (Woolard) cases but then the 9th Circuit cases creates a "circuit split" meaning the US Supremes have to deal with this soon.

    The new Alabama state constitutional amendment makes sure that an "intermediate scrutiny" analysis on self defense cannot happen in the area of state or local laws, ordinances or policies.

    OK, so what does all this mean? I'm going to show you four laws that could be challenged. Three of these, I think, are winners ranging from "slam dunk" to "probable".

    1) The Bowie Ban: way back before the Civil War AL banned the concealed carry of handguns and "Bowie knives", later clarified by the courts as "fixed-blades that won't fit in a normal pocket". Much later (by 150 years or so!) they put in a carry permit system (titled "pistol permit") for guns that still excludes big knives. This is a slam-dunk challenge - at a minimum people who have done the background check for the "pistol permit" can be trusted with megacutlery, and there's no costs involved for any government agency other than changing "Pistol Permit" to "Weapons Permit".

    2) The Pistol Permit Itself: in 1903 the Vermont state supreme court ruled that limitations via a permit on handgun carry (open or concealed) violated that state's version of the 2nd Amendment. For 100 years they were the only state where you didn't need a permit to pack - just don't be a prior felon and answer truthfully if a cop asks if you're strapped. They were the sole state with this kind of carry law for 100 years, until Alaska cloned it in 2003, Arizona in 2010 and now Wyoming and Arkansas have followed suit. Alaska's crime rate, when analyzed before and after the 2003 change, shows only one variation: a small but noticeable drop in rapes, possibly as a result of more women packing heat. No crime rises have occurred in any of the states that have made this switch. As a result, Alabama's system of "pistol permits" is in jeopardy because the less-restrictive "Vermont Carry" (or "Constitutional Carry") programs work - remember the "narrowly tailored" aspect of a strict scrutiny analysis. Odds of success: close to slam-dunk. Sheriff's offices get to charge $25/yr for the permits of which more than half that goes to administrative overhead most likely, so the financial loss to those agencies would be fractional. A good and cheap starting point would be to do a public records request to a few AL sheriffs asking for cost and profit analysis documents. (It's possible that tossing the permit process would actually save them money.)

    3) No Guns At Courthouses: right now we are required to disarm in the parking lot and leave our guns in the car. This increases the odds of a handgun theft (which is bad for everybody) and leaves us disarmed right outside the out of court; there have been notable cases of people ambushed there where their assassin knew they'd be disarmed by law. In WA state, Arizona and others the state courts are required to keep lockboxes by the front doors where you check your boomthing on entry, right next to the metal detectors. These systems work well and offer a less restrictive approach than the current AL process. Problem: there's costs involved for the lockboxes, I would guesstimate up to a grand per courthouse or other "disarmament zone building". In theory we could hold raffles at gun shows to cover the costs though. If we try to mandate this change by lawsuit without providing a funding mechanism, the fact that the amendment said "zero costs" may bite us in the posterior. Trying to keep us armed INSIDE the court building would probably fail due to the language in the US Supreme Court decision in Heller (2008) that seems to support restricting guns in "sensitive places".

    4) No Guns At Schools: the situation is similar to courthouses, but I think an attempt to do the same with lockboxes would fail. Why? First, they don't generally have metal detectors at the doors and also don't have armed guards, both of which are needed to create a successful "gun free zone" within the building. We're not going to succeed with the cost increases needed to put those in (whereas they already exist at the courthouses). And yet again the Heller language on "sensitive places" would have an effect.

    The other big change is that if a particular government agent, acting on his/her own, violates the 2nd Amendment (say, a cop grabbing a lawful gun from a lawful owner) the "obviousness" of the violation will be increased and the odds of a successful lawsuit against that official actor will go up. Cops for example are able to make "good faith screwups" without getting slammed by lawsuits; good faith exceptions will be more limited with the "importance" of the right to self defense elevated by this new state constitutional amendment.

    Here's the kicker for those not in AL: we need to get the 2nd elevated to strict scrutiny by the US Supreme Court. What you see here is a set of examples of what that would mean nationwide.
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    Dash Riprock

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    Very interesting and long overdue. I started a discussion a couple of weeks ago basically wondering out loud why gun owners are pretty much the only group left that continues to respect private property rights when it comes to concealed carry. Could a court apply strict scrutiny to, say, Whole Foods Market to force them to allow CHL holders to carry in their stores?

    Thread is here:
    http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/politics/62234-rethinking-30-06-private-property-rights.html
     

    Dash Riprock

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    It is my non-lawyer understanding that "strict scrutiny" is one of the things gay rights advocates have been citing to force business owners that object to gay marriage to provide services for them. I also recall it being a basis for the lawsuit brought against Hobby Lobby for refusing to provide certain types of abortifacients to its employees.
     

    TheDan

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    It is my non-lawyer understanding that "strict scrutiny" is one of the things gay rights advocates have been citing to force business owners that object to gay marriage to provide services for them. I also recall it being a basis for the lawsuit brought against Hobby Lobby for refusing to provide certain types of abortifacients to its employees.
    Well that sort of makes sense if you're a socialist. They believe in varying degrees of personal property, but they do not believe private property exists. Of course this is irrational because they cannot universally define what personal property is, and the concept of owning property stems from your ownership of self. Socialists ultimately don't believe in ownership of self either; you belong to the community.

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    Dash Riprock

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    I certainly understand your point, and we had a good discussion in the other thread that I do not wish to rehash here, other than to reiterate that we can't continue to play a game in which one side has a different set of rules.

    I'm very interested in matefrio's thoughts on how strict scrutiny might apply to 30.06 or its equivalent.
     

    matefrio

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    It is my non-lawyer understanding that "strict scrutiny" is one of the things gay rights advocates have been citing to force business owners that object to gay marriage to provide services for them. I also recall it being a basis for the lawsuit brought against Hobby Lobby for refusing to provide certain types of abortifacients to its employees.

    I think you are not separating Strict Scrutiny with Suspect Classification. Suspect classification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I don't believe gun owners would meet the criteria of a group that falls under "Suspect Classification", although we may feel like it.

    Gun ownership isn't a natural trait. (although some may disagree)

    If we were pursue suspect classification as gun owners we'd classify "Gun Nut" as a mental disorder or trait and demand rights to take our guns everywhere like they do with seeing eye dogs or companion pets. A fun idea, I'm sitting here chuckling about it but not going to happen.

    Or we'd ask the courts to coin gun ownership is a religion and then asking the courts to apply strict scrutiny i.e. Sikh and their knives.
     
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    Renegade

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    Very interesting and long overdue. I started a discussion a couple of weeks ago basically wondering out loud why gun owners are pretty much the only group left that continues to respect private property rights when it comes to concealed carry. Could a court apply strict scrutiny to, say, Whole Foods Market to force them to allow CHL holders to carry in their stores?

    Thread is here:
    http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/politics/62234-rethinking-30-06-private-property-rights.html

    Yes they could. But no need to as current law forces it to happen.

    Then NFL and any other business must allow cops to carry on their premises even if off-duty. Just add CHLS to the list and remove the other prohibitions.

    Most folks do not know it, but not all CHLs are equal. A DA with a CHL can pretty much carry anywhere.
     
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    matefrio

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    I'm very interested in matefrio's thoughts on how strict scrutiny might apply to 30.06 or its equivalent.

    Read here how "Strict Scrutiny" is applied to our right to assemble. Note that even with strict scrutiny applied to our right to assemble we are still are subject to laws that govern other things "However, this protection does not immunize the gathering from generally applicable health, safety and welfare laws designed to protect private property, eliminate litter, curb visual blight, facilitate traffic, control noise or minimize congestion."

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