Was asked for my papers

[scap99]

Am I a complete idiot? What on earth is a "stamp"??? I've never been asked for anything, not even my CHL. I've never even heard reference to something called a "stamp". ? - Keri

When we buy silencers or machine guns, the govt makes us purchase a $200 stamp. Like the stamp on alcohol or cigarettes.


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[Keri-Mike]

Ohhhh!!! Wow, I had no idea. Thank you so much! Learning something new every day! - Keri

When we buy silencers or machine guns, the govt makes us purchase a $200 stamp. Like the stamp on alcohol or cigarettes.


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[scap99]

Ohhhh!!! Wow, I had no idea. Thank you so much! Learning something new every day! - Keri

Now you know you want one or three!!!


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[AKM]

Vere are your papuhs?

 

[scap99]

And at SAGC, then we ask you to leave. And call the Sheriff's office. Nothing but a thing.

Lawyer or not, when the nice officer rolls you up for whatever made up charge they want to apply, no matter what happens after that you get to go for a ride FIRST. And the local news carries the story about how the range officials were rolled up for "omg, machine guns!" Not a good thing...right or wrong.

Yes, I think it is wrong. And yes, that is the world we live in, no matter how much we all whine like little bitches about it



Alex

Sounds like YOU are the source of the made up charges.

Do you really think I'm going to have a $1000 can spun on the end of a $5000 rifle and NOT have a $200 tax stamp?
If anything you should be kissing my hairy beanbag when I walk in because I, obviously, have more money than brains.

You sellouts make me want to turn green and break shit!


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[Dredge]

And at SAGC, then we ask you to leave. And call the Sheriff's office. Nothing but a thing.

Lawyer or not, when the nice officer rolls you up for whatever made up charge they want to apply, no matter what happens after that you get to go for a ride FIRST. And the local news carries the story about how the range officials were rolled up for "omg, machine guns!" Not a good thing...right or wrong.

Yes, I think it is wrong. And yes, that is the world we live in, no matter how much we all whine like little bitches about it



Alex

Your membership requirements state on your website that you cannot be a felon but that's about it (that I saw) aside from cost of membership.
Since it is a "club" I see it as you are well within your right to ask for documentation provided that request is stated in writing, should I choose to become a member.
If there is nothing in your rules/regs for membership stating that a member will have to present that documentation upon entry then I think your above comments are probably not going to help your business grow. I think that in the event you call "Johnny Law" so "when the nice officer rolls you up for whatever made up charge they want to apply, no matter what happens after that you get to go for a ride FIRST" you are more than a little out of line. That's actually nothing more than downright shitty. Then still to imply that the Sheriff's Office is going to make up charges...are you on crack? I wonder what your Sheriff thinks of your comment?
Then you state we are whining like little bitches? Dude, get over yourself.

Like I previously stated, it's a club and I'm sure you have rules and as long as the request for documentation is in those rules, we're cool. If not, it makes you look like a tool....just sayin'.

 

[wakal]

The club has grown from 400 members to 1,600 since the non-Fudd's have taken over...and allowed full auto/supressed stuff, although that wasn't the reason (IMO) the club has grown.

We have had problems with one whiny little bitch who got kicked out of the club for refusing to show paper. We also found several folks with no paper, and that was taken care of. So far, so good.


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[Mike D Texas]

At this point, I'm not surprised, gun owners/dealers are in the cross hairs... It may be hysteria, but it is justified hysteria...

Justified hysteria? Why?


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[biglucky]

Jesus, this threadnaught is getting so funny.. Let me ask you this? How many of you live in or near San Angelo or spend enough time in or near San Angelo that the rules at the San Angelo Gun Club really effect your lives?

 

[Tejano Scott]

Jesus, this threadnaught is getting so funny.. Let me ask you this? How many of you live in or near San Angelo or spend enough time in or near San Angelo that the rules at the San Angelo Gun Club really effect your lives?

Well allow me to answer your question before you die of laughter. No one brought up SAGC except for your buddy Alex. You yourself admitted you have been to multiple ranges which asked for your NFA papers. Personally, I could give a shit which Range asks. My points address ALL Ranges who ask for paperwork they are not legally obligated to check.

Since I answered your question, allow me to ask one of my own. What do you think about NFA Dealers/Range's who call the cops on people who wish to not show their NFA paperwork?

 

[TundraWookiee]

Well allow me to answer your question before you die of laughter. No one brought up SAGC except for your buddy Alex. You yourself admitted you have been to multiple ranges which asked for your NFA papers. Personally, I could give a shit which Range asks. My points address ALL Ranges who ask for paperwork they are not legally obligated to check.

Since I answered your question, allow me to ask one of my own. What do you think about NFA Dealers/Range's who call the cops on people who wish to not show their NFA paperwork?

My unsolicited response would be that those particular dealers/ranges are acting like "whiny little bitches". Someone doesn't agree to show you personal paperwork they have no legal requirement to show so you call the cops? Now who is the asshole?

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[Tejano Scott]

My unsolicited response would be that those particular dealers/ranges are acting like "whiny little bitches". Someone doesn't agree to show you personal paperwork they have no legal requirement to show so you call the cops? Now who is the asshole?

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Shut up you whiny little bitch. Lol.

 

[Tejano Scott]

On a note of moderation, there is a lot of backhanded name calling going on in this thread(myself included probably). Let's keep it civil as we can.

 

[biglucky]

Well allow me to answer your question before you die of laughter. No one brought up SAGC except for your buddy Alex. You yourself admitted you have been to multiple ranges which asked for your NFA papers. Personally, I could give a shit which Range asks. My points address ALL Ranges who ask for paperwork they are not legally obligated to check.

Since I answered your question, allow me to ask one of my own. What do you think about NFA Dealers/Range's who call the cops on people who wish to not show their NFA paperwork?

To answer your question Scott. If a range owner wants to check paperwork, and then alerts the authorities if he has a reasonable assumption that someone is using an illegal NFA item (which refusing to simply show your paperwork that you should always have with the item anyway could be easily considered reasonable), they are well within their rights.

Just like anyone is well within their rights to not go there. I don't have to like it, I just comply with a range owners simple right to manage their property in any way they see fit.

I personally don't understand at all the problems that people would have with being asked to see your stamp if you are shooting a legal NFA item. I guess I just see it as part of the craptacular deal that the NFA act sprung upon us...

That is my opinion, take it for what you will.... To be honest this whole thread just really blows my mind.

 

[Vernix]

OK, maybe I'll be the odd man out here, but......

If I'm asked to show my paperwork?

I'll smile, chat with them, show them my paperwork.
Done.
Maybe I've made a new friend in the process.

Do they have a legal right or obligation? Are they curious.
More likely that not they are just following instructions from a superior anyway.

How about the next step?
Once the employee knows I am friendly, courteous, kind....etc.....I'd ask to chat with the boss.
Find out what's really going on in their industry.
I'll betcha they are under all sorts of overt and subtle scrutiny these days.
Range owners, NFA item owners, hunters, all gun owners.....we all have reason to be vigilant.
They ARE out to get us. It's not paranoia.
We may not be bad guys, but there are bad guys out there and they can ruin it for all of us.

I say all the good guys (and girls) make friends and stick together.
Lord knows we have detractors and enemies that would love reinterpretation of our constitution tomorrow or sooner!

Let's not be our own enemy, please!

 

[Vaquero]

Aren't we all glad that the range owner scrutinized the application and followup with the Aurora shooter?
Is it really that bad if a facility in TX wants to do a simple check also?
As stated, we are under the microscope. If we raised as much hell with our representatives as we do with each other there likely wouldn't be a NFA anyway!

 

[TundraWookiee]

Sure, let's require that you show your driver's license everytime you park in a parking garage to prove you are legal to be driving. While we're at it, go ahead and show your social security card everytime you make a purchase with your credit card at any store. Let's just treat everyone like a criminal and assume that they must be doing something illegal if they prefer to not have to go to unnecessary measures to prove themselves.

I don't even own any NFA items but can see the problem people have with being asked to see their papers.

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[wakal]

Ah, the always popular "lets extend this to silly extremes" argument. Great fun. Pointless, but great fun.

I have a lot of NFA stuff, and have had it for years. Now I run a company that builds NFA stuff. Even MORE fun. There are ranges that don't allow some of my toys. I do not go to those ranges. There is a reason I built my own damn range in San Antonio...I can shoot what I want, when I want, whenever I want, with whomever I want. I built that

The only range I was ever part of the 'control group' for, didn't allow NFA stuff and now they do (with one caveat). If you don't like it, build your own range.

I find it very interesting that the folks who are all pseudo-libertarian "no paper" types seem to have the idea that everyone ELSE must comply with their views. Ah, that word does not mean what you think it does.

I don't shop at some places, I don't go to some places, and I don't deal with some companies because of their views. I don't picket them and wish death on them, or start long illogical and mostly retarded rants about them on cut rate message boards (obviously not talking about TGT here)...I just ignore them and take my money to places that agree with, or are at least neutral with, my views.

Forcing others to comply with your views smacks to me of Socialism. I don't play that.



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[TundraWookiee]

Ah, the always popular "lets extend this to silly extremes" argument. Great fun. Pointless, but great fun.

I have a lot of NFA stuff, and have had it for years. Now I run a company that builds NFA stuff. Even MORE fun. There are ranges that don't allow some of my toys. I do not go to those ranges. There is a reason I built my own damn range in San Antonio...I can shoot what I want, when I want, whenever I want, with whomever I want. I built that

The only range I was ever part of the 'control group' for, didn't allow NFA stuff and now they do (with one caveat). If you don't like it, build your own range.

I find it very interesting that the folks who are all pseudo-libertarian "no paper" types seem to have the idea that everyone ELSE must comply with their views. Ah, that word does not mean what you think it does.

I don't shop at some places, I don't go to some places, and I don't deal with some companies because of their views. I don't picket them and wish death on them, or start long illogical and mostly retarded rants about them on cut rate message boards (obviously not talking about TGT here)...I just ignore them and take my money to places that agree with, or are at least neutral with, my views.

Forcing others to comply with your views smacks to me of Socialism. I don't play that.



Alex

Pompous responses that are off-topic are always so beneficial to intelligent conversations so thanks for your contribution.

A place that doesn't allow NFA items is not what was being discussed. Allowing NFA but then asking them to prove they legally own those items is the issue. As others have brought up, there is no range I've ever heard off that requires you to prove you legally own any non-NFA items so why the different standard?

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[Dredge]

A place that doesn't allow NFA items is not what was being discussed. Allowing NFA but then asking them to prove they legally own those items is the issue. As others have brought up, there is no range I've ever heard off that requires you to prove you legally own any non-NFA items so why the different standard?


Good point TW. I was at a local range/store which sells NFA stuff, they have never asked me for my stamp when shooting. I did witness a dude checking out a Glock and wanted to purchase, come to find out he had a felony and went away. Point is, the guy was handling the gun prior to "discovery". If there was LE around, he would have taken a ride and gone back to jail. I don't recall ever witnessing any gun store employee asking a customer if they had a felony prior to letting them check out the goods.
If the store/ranges were to verify everybody prior to presenting the firearm to the customer, it would probably go something like a single officer checking every person entering and leaving the local drinking hole for BAL/field sobriety test.......nightmare.
This ain't a communist country (yet). The law abiding folks don't like being looked at in a bad light and being called into question with the alleged justification being that on a rare occasion, somebody might/maybe/possibly be on the wrong side of the law re:NFA.
Kinda like DWI checkpoints but that's for another thread that I promise not to be the OP.....