WTF! Online concealed carry permits?

[Bithabus]

What I do have an issue with is just any swinging dick with pulse off the street carrying a firearm around my family and myself! It's no different than just handing out car keys at 16 YRS. old without taking drivers ED. or a driving test and saying "ok here ya go".

It is markedly different, because bearing arms is a Constitutionally guaranteed right and driving a car is not. Regardless of your elitist opinion all Americans do have the right to carry. Even around your family. Don't like it, move to China.

 

[Texan2]

I have watched hundreds go through the CHL course. Most of them don't know how tho handle their firearm....yet they end up with a CHL.

Shooter's argument is the same one liberals have made for centuries.....give us some of your freedom and we will keep you safe. Let us make just ONE more law and you and your family will be safer.

As previously stated, several states have much less regulaton than Texas and are no more dangerous.

No offense Shooter but your viewpoints are the ones anti gunners have used unsuccesfully for decades. The facts just arent there to support most gun regulations.

 

[Texasjack]

I'm a little afraid to post on this thread.

First, I saw the article on the Virginia CHL and thought it was interesting because VA has reciprocal agreements with some states that do not have agreements with Texas. That could be valuable to someone who was going to be travelling through those areas or doing some business there.

The Texas CHL process isn't all that bad - I kinda like having to spend some time on the range. The shooting test is really just an idiot test to see that you can actually operate a firearm. The only thing I don't like is the length of the class time. It should be limited by covering the MATERIAL, not by the number of hours of fill-in crap that the instructors have to add.

Having said that, I'd just as soon allow open-carry. I really don't care who else is carrying as long as I'm allowed to do the same.

That brings me to the thing that makes me hesitate to post. Some of the comments in this thread are riddled with liberal crap - e.g., "John Wayne wannabees..." and "..it's not the 1800's..". You're right, but not in the way you think. People had more sense and more respect in the 1800's and John Wayne's movies embodied a lot of that. When you start restricting the freedom of law abiding citizens, it's a slippery slope into the socialist quagmire that Kalifornia and Nuevo York have become. There's no possible way to keep crazy people from going off and trying to hurt others - like the Aurora shootings, for example - but there is a mechanism for free people to be able to defend themselves as long as your libtard ideas don't hold them back.

If that offends you, well, I honestly don't care. Seeing people buy into the socialist micromanagement of America offends me far more than you will ever understand.

 

[Ol Zeke]

I'm a little afraid to post on this thread.

First, I saw the article on the Virginia CHL and thought it was interesting because VA has reciprocal agreements with some states that do not have agreements with Texas. That could be valuable to someone who was going to be travelling through those areas or doing some business there.

The Texas CHL process isn't all that bad - I kinda like having to spend some time on the range. The shooting test is really just an idiot test to see that you can actually operate a firearm. The only thing I don't like is the length of the class time. It should be limited by covering the MATERIAL, not by the number of hours of fill-in crap that the instructors have to add.

Having said that, I'd just as soon allow open-carry. I really don't care who else is carrying as long as I'm allowed to do the same.

That brings me to the thing that makes me hesitate to post. Some of the comments in this thread are riddled with liberal crap - e.g., "John Wayne wannabees..." and "..it's not the 1800's..". You're right, but not in the way you think. People had more sense and more respect in the 1800's and John Wayne's movies embodied a lot of that. When you start restricting the freedom of law abiding citizens, it's a slippery slope into the socialist quagmire that Kalifornia and Nuevo York have become. There's no possible way to keep crazy people from going off and trying to hurt others - like the Aurora shootings, for example - but there is a mechanism for free people to be able to defend themselves as long as your libtard ideas don't hold them back.

If that offends you, well, I honestly don't care. Seeing people buy into the socialist micromanagement of America offends me far more than you will ever understand.

Oh, I'm soooo offended ....... NOT!

What he said. Thanks!

 

[BigBoss0311]

I am okay with what Virginia does. I am okay with what Texas does. It is what the Federal Government does that I don't like. Each state is allowed to make it's own laws as long as they do not conflict with Section 1 of the 14th amendment. One of those is banning firearms completely. Whatever laws and regulations each state chooses to impose on carrying and obtaining firearms is up to that state as long as the end result is you are allowed to own the firearm. If you don't like what that state's regulations are, then you move to one who's laws coincide with your view.

 

[M. Sage]

Yup, and more specifically to Texans: Someone may not qualify in Texas due to a felony conviction a few years ago, or a domestic violence conviction, etc. Both are disqualifying for Texas CHL in most cases. I won't say they're allowed in Florida because I'm not sure of their laws, but in such a case that they were, one could get a Florida CHL and legally carry in Texas because Texas recognizes all Florida CHLs.

FYI, a domestic violence conviction makes it illegal to possess firearms.

 

[Fortyfiveautomatic]

That brings me to the thing that makes me hesitate to post. Some of the comments in this thread are riddled with liberal crap - e.g., "John Wayne wannabees..." and "..it's not the 1800's..". You're right, but not in the way you think. People had more sense and more respect in the 1800's and John Wayne's movies embodied a lot of that. When you start restricting the freedom of law abiding citizens, it's a slippery slope into the socialist quagmire that Kalifornia and Nuevo York have become. There's no possible way to keep crazy people from going off and trying to hurt others - like the Aurora shootings, for example - but there is a mechanism for free people to be able to defend themselves as long as your libtard ideas don't hold them back.

If that offends you, well, I honestly don't care. Seeing people buy into the socialist micromanagement of America offends me far more than you will ever understand.

Well said, sir.

 

[DannyT]

FYI, a domestic violence conviction makes it illegal to possess firearms.

Where did i miss the post that said background checks were not done, at least in the case of the Virginia online. I will have to submit to a background check the same as i would here.

 

[London]

I don't recall making an argument about owning or possessing a firearm only to carry around in public. Further more please explain how acquiring a CCL is removing your right to carry a firearm? After you meet the requirements you're then legally allowed to carry a firearm are you not?

What a load or double-speak. If you have to get a license it isn't a right, it's a privilege. This country does not have a Bill of Privileges. Can you name me any other ammendment from the Bill of Rights you would like people to get a license for? After all, isn't free speech far more dangerous than firearms?

Listen this isn't the 1800's anymore, the days of cowboys and Indians or fending for yourself from cattle barons and land mongrels are long gone.

More scare-phrases from the Brady Campaign Playbook. By the way, you know Dodge City had extremely strict gun control laws, yet still ended up as one of the most legendary shoot-out towns in history, right?

What I do have an issue with is just any swinging dick with pulse off the street carrying a firearm around my family and myself!

Then congratulations, you are of the same, "Do as I say, not as I do" ilk as Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi, and every other gun-grabbing liberal who believe they are more important than everyone else.

It's no different than just handing out car keys at 16 YRS. old without taking drivers ED.

The Constitution grants no right to keep and bear automobiles.

Or how about the hot topic of voter I.D. Are you fine with any swinging dick with a pulse off the street to go vote without any type of I.D. or validation?

Apples and oranges.

Even hunters safety or boaters safety, there are so many people who've never fired a gun or driven a boat before in their life. Statistics show that hunting and boating accidents have declined over the years due in part by simply educating the public.

More apples and oranges. For the fourth time already, other states allow partial or fully unlicensed carry with no ill effect. Show me some hard data to back up your claim that people are too stupid and reckless to carry firearms unlicensed or put this argument to rest already.

Getting them to attend a course and educate them on the subjects. No license to carry, that's fine I'm ok with that but i think if you're gonna carry you at least have to attend some sort CCW training course.

At which point the proof of training would essentially be the license.

Not every single law put into place is there because the government wants you to know they have control, some laws actually carry merit for your safety.

You need to understand the difference between malum en se and malum prohibitum laws. Your faith in the government to dictate what is best for the people is unfounded. It's been said countless times that gun control isn't about guns, it's about control.

 

[Younggun]

Or how about the hot topic of voter I.D. Are you fine with any swinging dick with a pulse off the street to go vote without any type of I.D.

I saw this exact same comparison made on the "democrats for progress" forum. Whether you like it are not, your arguments are aligning with the liberal agenda.



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[MGTX]

Well said London, but I think it may be falling on deaf ears.........errrr eyes since I doubt he will post again in this thread after the public lashing he is getting.

 

[London]

Well said London, but I think it may be falling on deaf ears.........errrr eyes since I doubt he will post again in this thread after the public lashing he is getting.

I hope not. People here seem to have pretty thick skin. Lord knows I've had my share of knuckle-rappings here. I'd rather he think about what he's saying than run off convinced we are coming down on him for the sake of being assholes. We could always use another "Convert."