It's all aimed at law-abiding citizens. Do they honestly think the bangers, et al, will bother doing this ? Hell they can't stop drugs from pouring into our country or the selling of it much less who sells who a damn gun...
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Atf rule banning private sales requires FFL rumored for fall.
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It's about controling us the law abiding we are the threat to their absolute power. That's why there is no reasoning with them that everything they have to do with firearms is unconstitutional.
How will one advertise they have a gun for sale?
It would have to be word of mouth.
Txhillbilly
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I'm selling a magazine, scope, bolt / bcg, etc., for $xyz, and it just so happens to have a bunch of extra things / gun parts that come with it!
He did, in fact come out and meet met yesterday. Got a call at work - he'd generated a photo line up of persons based on the vehicle and cell phone data. Pretty much like every other non-FBI FED I've ever met, scruffy looking in general, ill fitting T-shirt, jeans, and a full size Glock with a light sticking out from under his shirt. Only difference - most Feds I've dealt with were DUSM, so they were either driving drug-seized vehicles (Escalades) or other cars that don't scream COP. ATF dude was ina murdered out black Charger.
Its something they can come at you with long after the fact, if that gun winds up in their custody. You are the last known person to have it - thus you're responsibile for it once there's UBC in place. If the gun gets seized and its not in your custody, they're gonna say you have some s'plainin to do. The law that usually gets passed not long after UBC are mandatory reporting laws / safe storage laws. Once you discover a gun is missing, you get 24 or 48 hours to report it stolen, if you don't and it winds up in police custody, you're assumed to be involved or you're engaged in illegal firearms sales, so you're an easy fish for them to net. Its all about fear and control.
Just a way for them to scoop up multiple people and put pressure on you. Even if they never bring formal charges, its going to rattle you, its going to cost you money in lawyer fees probably, and it drives home their point of submit, follow orders, and disarm. They'll probably seize any guns you still have, if they know about them and find out.
That's what amnesia is for.
He was mad you weren't giving him extra evidence to use against you
The one time I had to go through that the guy wasn't being a dickhead about anything.
He was mad you weren't giving him extra evidence to use against you
The one time I had to go through that the guy wasn't being a dickhead about anything.
I wouldn't say he's a dickhead, but the guy was definitely steeped in FedTardem, wanting shit that isn't legally required just to make his life easier. Honestly wish we had more laws obstructing and restricting police authority and requiring a judge to sign off for a lot more of the investigatory process - such as even pulling information as part of anything beyond a traffic stop or in-person encounter.
Want to run a serial number for a gun? Get a warrant.
Want to see who that serial number is connected to? Get a warrant.
Want to see who that person may be contacted to? Get a warrant.
Right now its way too easy for them to get info with a few keystrokes and start dicking with people that didn't do anything wrong.
Cops get a lot of leeway, and *some* will run away with bullshit leads just because its a lead, and maybe that needs reigned in a bit. Just like the "evidence" that lead up to the Brianna Taylor killing in Louisville - their info was bad and old and the guy they wanted was in custody. The process just needs slowed down.
Judges also being held liable for signing off on bad warrants, or making bad decisions without accountability needs to change. Reduce their immunity in such cases and make it easier to boot them from the bench and prosecute them. But I digress.
There is a (largely academic) school of thought that holds that warrants weren't originally intended to be needed for much of anything. The thinking goes that a policeman can do pretty much anything to obtain evidence of a crime, including flouting everything in the BIll of Rights IF they turn out to be right.
According to this school of thought, the only reason warrants should exist is if the police feel they have reasonable suspicion but they're not fully sure. They sit down with a judge and discuss the circumstances in depth. If the judge grants a warrant the police are then indemnified against any damages as a result of their actions.
In the beginning of the republic there was no such thing as qualified immunity. If a police officer busts into your house to gather evidence and turns out to be wrong and didn't get the warrant, the officer would be personally liable for civil damages (at minimum) and subject to criminal prosecution.
That whole "personally liable" thing would, theoretically, keep LE in line.
As you might guess, I haven't heard a serious academic argument from this viewpoint since SCOTUS invented qualified immunity.
It's just about official now.
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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has unveiled its new rule defining what is a gun dealer. The rule will not go into effect 30 days after it is posted to the Federal Register.
Lots of YouTube and gun blog posts about this new rule. Here is one.
Read more at AmmoLand blog.
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has unveiled its new rule defining what is a gun dealer. The rule will not go into effect 30 days after it is posted to the Federal Register.
Lots of YouTube and gun blog posts about this new rule. Here is one.
I buy, sell and trade a lot with private parties
I also do same (buy sell and trade) at/through some of my favorite LGSs
An end to private sales will put a crimp in my style… I like the flexibility of buying, selling and trading privately and also via dealers
just another one of the reduction of our liberties, the weaponization of three-letter agencies whilst we sit on our arse and complain
their is only one way to fix this… elect Trump
or… simply do not comply
I also do same (buy sell and trade) at/through some of my favorite LGSs
An end to private sales will put a crimp in my style… I like the flexibility of buying, selling and trading privately and also via dealers
just another one of the reduction of our liberties, the weaponization of three-letter agencies whilst we sit on our arse and complain
their is only one way to fix this… elect Trump
or… simply do not comply
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Texasgordo
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Probably have to start using a BOS for everybody's protection. If the feds have a issue I can give them the BOS and they will leave me alone.
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