Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[toddnjoyce]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-reduce-f-150-lightning-production-2024-01-19/

So by April they will have cut production by two thirds.

Wonder how UAW feels about the associated jobs cuts. Never mind, it’s an EV and that shit’s all robots and computers nowadays so I guess UAW doesn’t care.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

He’s a dumbass for accepting an EV from the rental car company, especially if he didn’t reserve it or did and didn’t do his due diligence.

Herrz tried to give me an EV when we were in SD last summer. I asked them if they were drunk and told them to give me the ICE large SUV I reserved. The counter guy tried to convince me I would prefer the EV; I asked if he had a hearing problem. I got the keys to a Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Oh, I get it. But per the article, EV was the only available option despite him reserving a gas powered vehicle ahead of time, something rental companies are notorious for, whether it's now ICE/EV or size such as luxury/midsize/compact, etc.

His surprise, as well as mine, was that it failed to make just a three-hour round trip, albeit as he describes in hilly areas, and just highlights the real limitations of EVs plus the lack of charging stations. I've had hunting leases that were three hours or more away and in very remote areas that I'd never be able to reach, much less get back out of if this garbage was ever our only option.

 

[TheDan]

Wonder how UAW feels about the associated jobs cuts. Never mind, it’s an EV and that shit’s all robots and computers nowadays so I guess UAW doesn’t care.

I dunno, they're pretty furious they haven't gotten their claws into Tesla yet. Kinda makes me want to stop making fun of Teslas...

 

[TAZ]

Trying to ram the square peg of a EV into the round hole of the US infrastructure is about as imbecilic as it gets.

An EV makes sense in certain conditions and locations. Commuters that have access to a charging station @ home are the most likely market segment. Lots of folks who live within say 50 miles of work and sit in traffic can benefit from an EV. Assuming they can charge each night at home after their daily BS is over. Folks like the Chicagoans with no access to chargers that rely on charging stations are NOT it. Physics (long time to charge) and lack of available chargers are not going to work. Same for those who drive long distances for whatever reason. Not enough available infrastructure to support that.

Don’t know how many MBA’s or PhD’s it takes to understand that EV’s are a niche market.


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[Pistol Pete]

Maybe when you can carry a spare battery but I doubt it.

 

[dsgrey]

An EV makes sense in certain conditions and locations. Commuters that have access to a charging station @ home are the most likely market segment. Lots of folks who live within say 50 miles of work and sit in traffic can benefit from an EV. Assuming they can charge each night at home after their daily BS is over.

Exactly and 36% of the US population rents (apt, home, etc) where installing a charger isn't allowed or cost effective. Sarcastically, I'd say 2/3s of homeowners have their garage packed full of junk so they'd be running their charger out to the driveway.

 

[OutlawStar]

That's the point....there were no chargers where he was and it was a rental. He couldn't get back to where the nearest chargers were before it ran out of juice in the middle of the night. Your motorcycle uses gas that is available everywhere. Poor analogy.

I get you don't want to put your email in to read the article. But it's ridiculous to post shit in response to an article that you never read.

Again, I put the blame on him. He knew how far he had to drive and just kinda hoped for the best. Didn't plug it in regardless of supercharger stations because the wedding venue didn't have electricity maybe? And no, my motorcycle analogy isn't poor; if I know I'm bone dry at 150 miles and never bother thinking about refueling on a 3 hour ride, I'd be laughed at too. Driving through West Texas regularly, there are long hilly stretches without gas stations. Not too mention the gas stations that do close for the night in extra rural areas.

And if that truly was the very last vehicle available, he's not even well traveled enough to walk the 20 feet over to the next rental desk to ask for another car from a different company. He's an idiot on multiple levels trying to blame the car. Perhaps he needed a warning label to keep him safe?

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Stupid to get EV yeah! Are EV's Stupid yeah.

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[TAZ]

Exactly and 36% of the US population rents (apt, home, etc) where installing a charger isn't allowed or cost effective. Sarcastically, I'd say 2/3s of homeowners have their garage packed full of junk so they'd be running their charger out to the driveway.

Ironically that may be a safety feature that could save their home.


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[kbaxter60]

Heh. This stuff may work for the China market, but doubt that it worries Tesla much.

China’s EV players ramp up competition with Tesla using new tech

Hot competition in China's electric car market is pushing local automakers to sell vehicles with fancy tech that Tesla doesn't yet offer in the country.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Tnhawk]

Heh. This stuff may work for the China market, but doubt that it worries Tesla much.

China’s EV players ramp up competition with Tesla using new tech

Hot competition in China's electric car market is pushing local automakers to sell vehicles with fancy tech that Tesla doesn't yet offer in the country.

www.cnbc.com

Anything that doesn't increase range and reduce charge time, is of little benefit to most drivers.

 

[kbaxter60]

Anything that doesn't increase range and reduce charge time, is of little benefit to most drivers.

My thought also. Most of these slick high-tech adds will just deplete the battery faster.

ETA - OTOH, maybe the ability to watch a full-length movie while waiting for it to charge is a good thing?

 

[Tnhawk]

My thought also. Most of these slick high-tech adds will just deplete the battery faster.

ETA - OTOH, maybe the ability to watch a full-length movie while waiting for it to charge is a good thing?

The useful trip range of an ev is reduced further as driver fatigue becomes a factor with additional time necessary for charging added to the total travel time.

 

[TheDan]

 

[dsgrey]

The useful trip range of an ev is reduced further as driver fatigue becomes a factor with additional time necessary for charging added to the total travel time.

Hmm, maybe lot lizards will start hanging around the interstate EV charging stations?

 

[Lonesome Dove]

How many billions did Brandon hand out for EV charger station throughout the nation? Anyone seen any of these charging stations. I recently did a 4 state road trip and nope not one anywhere and I used two different routes coming and going. Hmmmm
deep pockets fed by deep pockets.

 

[no2gates]

Maybe when you can carry a spare battery but I doubt it.

The batteries are over 1000 pounds so it's not like swapping out a 12v ICE battery.

 

[TheDan]

 

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[BigRed]

To Hell with them.

Went back to old motorcycles.


Easy to work on.
Reliable.
Manual everything.

I've been reminded yet again how even a "low performance" bike out performs a "high performance vehicle" on the road.

Keep your horse for off road stuff.