For Those Non-LEOs Who Open Carry

[cycleguy2300]

From what I read...any holster...just has to be in one.

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Only if plainly visible

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[benenglish]

Why is a pocket not a holster?

IIRC, when the law was first passed there was a great deal of talk about the definition of a holster because the law used the word without defining it.

 

[jimbo]

Been discussed in many threads.


I open carry under an untucked shirt.

Me too.

 

[jimbo]

Yeah, maybe I should have stated OWB, under an untucked shirt.

Yeah, that's what I meant too.

 

[cycleguy2300]

IIRC, when the law was first passed there was a great deal of talk about the definition of a holster because the law used the word without defining it.

Chances are if it's in a pocket, it's not very visible... and defining a holster in a way where it would exclude a pants pocket would be difficult.

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[oldag]

Why is a pocket not a holster?

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And is a holster a pocket?

 

[alternative]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a holster a requirement for OPEN carry. Concealed carry does not "require" a holster.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a holster a requirement for OPEN carry. Concealed carry does not "require" a holster.

Effectively correct.

If any part of the pistol is plainly visible, the pistol must be holstered. If no part is plainly visible, the code is silent.

Let’s pull the thread. Let’s say @Moonpie wore his skin tight pleather hot pants to the local Glockshop and Drop today and stuck a little derringer in the front pocket. No part of the gun is visible, but the outline is obvious.

Can an LEO, upon the mere sight of this glorious image stop good ‘ol Moonpie to conduct an investigation as to what’s in his hot pants? If so, under what authority?

I think that’s the RCH people are trying to split.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I also have never worried about printing and or my shirt lifting.

 

[Moonpie]

Effectively correct.

If any part of the pistol is plainly visible, the pistol must be holstered. If no part is plainly visible, the code is silent.

Let’s pull the thread. Let’s say @Moonpie wore his skin tight pleather hot pants to the local Glockshop and Drop today and stuck a little derringer in the front pocket. No part of the gun is visible, but the outline is obvious.

Can an LEO, upon the mere sight of this glorious image stop good ‘ol Moonpie to conduct an investigation as to what’s in his hot pants? If so, under what authority?

I think that’s the RCH people are trying to split.

Why have you been following me around?
This makes me uncomfortable.
Now I need to go see my therapist and write of this trauma in my journal.

 

[alternative]

Pocket carry completely concealed does not require a holster. It would be smart to use one though.
I don't understand all of the questions here, if any part of the gun is visible it is open carry and needs a holster, if the gun is concealed it is not a requirement to be in a holster. OWB but completely covered is concealed carry even if it prints. So legally you can tuck your favorite .45 into your belt in the back like on TV and have it covered completely by your shirt and you are legal. You can also carry your .45 in a holster and have it visible in your car. The holster does not have to be on your body, just the gun must be holstered if it is visible. There is a big difference between legal and smart, go for the holster.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Why have you been following me around?
This makes me uncomfortable.
Now I need to go see my therapist and write of this trauma in my journal.

Think of me as your guardian angel. This is me most of your days:

 

[A1Oni]

I only open carry if im in the middle of nowhere

 

[Otto_Mation]

I wear OWB holsters but they are concealed under an untucked fishing shirt or similar. I never open carry and none of the holster that I use regularly has any kind of special retention device such as a thumb strap or police type retention device. Neither does any of the many holsters that are in a box that were tried and rejected that we all have.

 

[Noggin]

I open carry with a locking system. Anyone not familiar with getting their finger in the correct recess to release it will fail. If I feel a tug on the holster my reaction will be to clamp my elbow against the grip while turning to the right to face the threat. At the same time my left hand will be reaching for my CS/Pepper can which I open carry on my opposite hip, with my spare mag. The would be snatcher will then get a face full of chemical nastiness.

 

[kenboyles72]

I open carry 90% of the time. If I'm at the house, I will use a level 1 holster. If I'm out in town, I will use a level 2 or 3 holster, depending on the firearm I choose to carry that day.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't a holster a requirement for OPEN carry. Concealed carry does not "require" a holster.

Yes, see the UCW flow chart

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[cycleguy2300]

Effectively correct.

If any part of the pistol is plainly visible, the pistol must be holstered. If no part is plainly visible, the code is silent.

Let’s pull the thread. Let’s say @Moonpie wore his skin tight pleather hot pants to the local Glockshop and Drop today and stuck a little derringer in the front pocket. No part of the gun is visible, but the outline is obvious.

Can an LEO, upon the mere sight of this glorious image stop good ‘ol Moonpie to conduct an investigation as to what’s in his hot pants? If so, under what authority?

I think that’s the RCH people are trying to split.

It would be a stretch...

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[Sasquatch]

Eh, be aware of who is around you. Don't let people get close. Retention holsters are not magic, and most retention holsters are meant to defend against a snatch from the front or side, not the rear. Even the arguable king of retention holsters - Safariland - is not immune to shit products either - the 7000 series holsters are a lot easier to break and snatch a gun from. The injection molded, screwed together holsters are not as strong as the wrap-around Boltaron made 6000 series holsters, and all of the current Safariland non-LE/security holsters are based on 7000 series designs. ALS isn't hard to defeat by itself. Their GLS is likewise easy enough to defeat by itself. Thumb breaks can be defeated. Rotating hoods can be defeated, especially the Spetz or the WRS hoods that are flexible plastic operated by a single motion / button push. An open top, form fit kydex holster is fine for open carry in plain clothes.

 

[V-Tach]

Fwiw....no LEO'S I know (and I know many) open carry off duty.....including my son....all CC.....

They aren't opposed to folks who do....but for all the reasons that have discussed to death....don't themselves...