cycleguy2300
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"Lets invade/annex Ukraine to keep NATO away from our border"
They've added 5 to 6 depending on how you want to look at it... clearly keep NATO away was never their goal.
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Ukraine War and Politics
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They've added 5 to 6 depending on how you want to look at it... clearly keep NATO away was never their goal.
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Russia likes to project. If they get it in their head that a neighbor might be thinking about talking to the west, they'll invade.
They did it to Afghanistan, they did it to Georgia, they're doing it to Ukraine.
They kinda did it to Chechnya, but that was more of an attempt to keep their satellites in line
Given that Russia is in no way shape or form a conventional military competitor or threat to the USA, one might wonder what real advantage or benefit we get from all this in Ukraine. I personally can think of a couple:
1) It furthers globalism and the economic dominance of western global corporations;
2) Most of the US dollars allocated actually go to the US military industrial complex.
Certainly there could be others, but these two are significant benefits for certain important US players.
1) It furthers globalism and the economic dominance of western global corporations;
2) Most of the US dollars allocated actually go to the US military industrial complex.
Certainly there could be others, but these two are significant benefits for certain important US players.
It’s not just that they didn’t consult me. If we are supplying them with equipment and money, a non corrupt government that actually cared about trying to help Ukraine win, as well as our best interest would want to know exactly how our money and equipment is going to help them, but the opposite is what is happening. we just send stuff with little thought process as long as we are spending the money. that problem isn’t specific to Ukraine though.
cycleguy2300
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The benefit is doing the right thing.
As I have said before, if a neighbor down the street has their house broken into by some men with guns and I can hear the family screaming as they are being assaulted, begging for help and the husband is at my door asking for a gun and some ammo I will take the things that my family's money purchased and hand over absolutely as much as I can to him as well as go myself to fucking destroy those that violated the sovereignty of that family's house. It wouldn't matter that those either those burglarizing or the family were "good church folk" or some gangsters, the house is theirs and no one has the right to enter it uninvited without just cause.
If you could stand by and watch someone get beaten on the street and excuse it by saying, "well, he wouldn't have been beaten if he hadnt tried to ask the police for help when they robbed him" then just step around them, I can see why you might not want to support Ukraine...
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I'm curious to see in a parallel universe what things would look like if we didn't make this treaty and Ukraine nuked Russia. Not say one is right or wrong. I just like considering interesting scenarios.
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cycleguy2300
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You don't know what was discussed.
Youre chiding in ignorance...
I'm sure you'd have been complaining about lend-lease and whether it made England a proxy and what their plan for victory was... They didnt tell you where Overlord was landing! I'm shocked I tell you!
Its hard to make a plan until you know what youre getting. Its like asking you "what's the plan for dinner" but you don't know what groceries your gal is bringing home yet.
I don't "KNOW" anything was discussed, but it is a general's job to have plans and make plans and I dont doubt that once they see what they are getting, they can make an effective plan, just like a chef could if you set a bag a random groceries in front of them.
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cycleguy2300
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I don't think russia would have invaded.
Its kind of like the consternation among the left with CCL, LTC and CC, it doesn't turn into the wild west where people are getting guns drawn on them or get shot for every perceived slight. It deters criminals from easy targets and gives a tool to use to protect innocent others.
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Maybe we should allow other countries to defend themselves so we dont have to get wrapped up in things like this. Easy to say in retrospect. Hopefully, we learn a lesson from this.
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We fail to do the right thing - or do the wrong thing - all the time. So then you have to ask "Why this country?"
Usually it's because resources or something else we want hangs in the balance.
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No, I understand. I wasn’t asking because I needed to know. I was asking to get your reply. Going back a few pages in this thread turns up a discussion where another member here was insisting that nato is not a threat to Russia, and I was saying that Russia doesn’t necessarily perceive it that way. I have also been told that the US/NATO has not provoked Russia. A neat little feature about this forum is that I can see that you “liked” those comments arguing against me. Now, here you are talking about why it’s strategic for Russia to have more of a gap between Moscow and NATO/EU countries due to threats they pose.
If yall could get your narratives straight rather than just arguing against anything that is said by people who don’t support funding the proxy war, that would be great.
We should, but we probably won’t. we’ve committed to providing a lot of protection around the world. I highly doubt countries like Russia, China, n Korea, and Iran are unaware of this, or haven’t considered our ability to follow through on it.
