School Teacher (rant)

[Shorts]

They will be happy about it but you'll lose teachers to retirement and other jobs way before their time when they get burnt out...

Is that what we want in this country?

A industry full of teachers that are doing enough to get by and stay sane?

They AREN'T happy about it.


Not sure I understand what you're trying to say to me so clarify please.

 

[Hawghauler]

Idaho?!?!?[/i] Yankee STAY HOME.

Hard to argue with a geography major

 

[TrailDust]

All the teachers that I know want the hell out of the job and I would not recommend teaching as a career to anyone I cared about. You don't like the public school system? Great! I don't either! Lock, stock and barrel........it can all go straight to Hell.

Flash

You should come out to California. The teachers here are treated like gods.

 

[TrailDust]

I think that we, as a society, have put children on a pedestal.

I've been saying that for two decades now. It's become a culture what I call "child worship." It's so bad the way so many parents have bought into this, that I saw a mother with a two-year-old girl in the store asking the girl how many items they should buy and which brand...for each and every item!!!

I started this thread nwith the intent to incite passion and I have not been disappointed. Teaching youth by itself is not tough. On average I am firmly convinced the average teacher is well compensated for the actual hours worked. Every woe I heard has nothing to do with the science and art of teaching. What I hear is the socialist government is training a bunch of undisciplined useful idiots to further their agenda of creating a government dependent class. I did see any parochial school teacher comments here and either there aren't any here or surprise of all surprises they don't have these issues. Islam creates a class of useful idiots that can be swayed to perform acts that defy even a modicrum of logic. Dare I say the teachers unions and the government did a "copy/paste" ? Imagine a world where students came to learn for 8 hours and were required to behave with dignity, respect, and morals. Imagine poor behavior got you expelled and failing grades held you back. Imagine Johnny giving Jimmy a bloody nose for the "your mother wears combat boots insult" and police and lawyers were NOT called and the boys sorted it out. $30.00 an hour for the joy of working there would be lavish excess. I don't have to imagine it, that was my school. To me the US government has FAILED their obligation and should be fired from the job. The community that funds education should choose the rules, teachers, and ciriculum and those that don't like can choose the community that conforms to their beliefs. The end result I suppose would be the same, a bunch of smart conservatives and a bunch of dumb unruly liberals.

+1,000,000

BTW - it's not the GOVERNMENT's responsibility to educate your kids - it's YOURS. So take back YOUR district, run it YOUR way - and good luck finding quality teachers willing to teach to your standards....even the dumb ones you lament will know better - and the smart ones you claim to want/appreciate will tell you where to stick the job.

That all depends on where you live. In a place like California where everyone has drunk the Kool-Aid, no one opposes the education plan as presently pursued since no one wants to do anything detrimental to the children. If someone is lucky enough to live in a state that is populated by people of traditional values, then if education has gotten off the tracks there then the possibility would still remain to fix it in the manner you suggested, but in most cases, no way....IMO.

 

[ROGER4314]

HAWGHAULER
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Snicker.....Flash

 

[ROGER4314]

WHOA! WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAWG.........I just visited your profile and saw that you're in Afghanistan. Please advise if you're a contractor or military. If you're a civilian, I'll keep ragging on you. It's all in fun anyway

If you're military, this discussion is over and I'll not say another bad word about you. You will get nothing but courtesy and respect from me even if I think your ideas suck.

Please advise...........

Flash

 

[TexasRedneck]

Hmmm....in Afghanistan...normally, military folks are more respectful and circumspect in regards to others - especially given that folks give them that respect.

Sorry - but if he's military, I'll chalk him up as one I'll simply ignore in the future.

 

[Hawghauler]

As a tax payer I feel free oddly enough free to criticise the government, the expedeniture of my money, how they do their business, and their employees I pay for. Had I been lamenting how the supreme court conducted their duties or how they were compensated I think the post would not have drawn a ripple. But it seems our education has created conditioned responses. Oh no, can't question government education. Pavlov would be proud. Conditioning for certain reactions is not odd. In most cases anyone who said they were in a militia would be instantly vilified as a wacko crazy. Try saying you are a militia member to an eleventh grader. Our government has worked very hard to educate their charges toward certain trains of thought. Had I said the automobile manufacturer's union workers get paid too much and I think they are the partial cause of their industry's downfall the reaction would be different. If I was a social engineer I would make the schools my holy shrine and make their deification my first priority. Must own the the youth. Change the message bit by bit and when the student becomes the teacher you are on your way to owning the way the nation thinks.

 

[Hawghauler]

Hmmm....in Afghanistan...normally, military folks are more respectful and circumspect in regards to others - especially given that folks give them that respect.

Sorry - but if he's military, I'll chalk him up as one I'll simply ignore in the future.

My veteran status should not matter. You have every right to critique the pay and performance of your military including the commander in chief. You are a tax payer.

 

[TexasRedneck]

You're right - Vet status doesn't matter - Active Duty does (to me, at least - and to others). And too many people critique the military without understanding the TOTAL story - just like they do with teachers and others.

 

[TexasRedneck]

HH - questioning it isn't the issue - it's making stupid, blanket statements out of ignorance that pisses folks like me off. Your comments epitomizes the "Bubba Syndrome", IMO.

 

[TrailDust]

As a tax payer I feel free oddly enough free to criticise the government, the expedeniture of my money, how they do their business, and their employees I pay for. Had I been lamenting how the supreme court conducted their duties or how they were compensated I think the post would not have drawn a ripple. But it seems our education has created conditioned responses. Oh no, can't question government education. Pavlov would be proud. Conditioning for certain reactions is not odd. In most cases anyone who said they were in a militia would be instantly vilified as a wacko crazy. Try saying you are a militia member to an eleventh grader. Our government has worked very hard to educate their charges toward certain trains of thought. Had I said the automobile manufacturer's union workers get paid too much and I think they are the partial cause of their industry's downfall the reaction would be different. If I was a social engineer I would make the schools my holy shrine and make their deification my first priority. Must own the the youth. Change the message bit by bit and when the student becomes the teacher you are on your way to owning the way the nation thinks.

I'll agree with that. +1

 

[Hawghauler]

HH - questioning it isn't the issue - it's making stupid, blanket statements out of ignorance that pisses folks like me off. Your comments epitomizes the "Bubba Syndrome", IMO.

Please call into question my rationale and challenge me to back up my thought process. Writing on a forum a few paragraghs at a time make blanket statements easier and faster than sitting in a room having open debate where in depth discussion can go down rabbit holes. I am lumping all government education into one box and do not speak for or against any particular school system, county, or state. The very fact that Texas has a more independent, conservative populace (that votes the way I do) tells me Texas schools are better at conveying the truth and encourage more independance of thought. I was very interested to hear Texas never had a teacher's strike. Texas teachers must be the villians of the union. I applaud you for that. I still think the average cirriculum force fed around our nation is detrimental to our society. If you think Yankees are wrong in the head, remember a public school is where their values and ideals were downloaded. If you saw what my kids were taught and how they were taught you would understand how I rallied against the system and finally moved out west where most of the population has not drunk the Kool aid. A teacher that works hard to teach the three Rs in school and does not let bias or indoctrination into their classroom is a rare jewel and a priceless commodity. They are also in the minority as the Teacher's unions are one of the largest left wing political support groups. You can continue to question me, but please also consider the state of affairs in our country and our educational sysytem's role in the thought process of our population. I'll tell you what in the interest of sporting debate, I'll modify an earlier proclomation and say any teacher or school system that educates without indoctrination is sorely underpaid and all others are over paid and should be fired and their system scrapped.

 

[ROGER4314]

Since you won't advise if you're active military, you get no slack from me.

I dare you to investigate teaching jobs. If you have not been a teacher, you couldn't possibly understand what they go through. You're credibility is shot to Hell.

Put up or shut up.

Now, I'm going to venture into a more positive forum place like reloading or rifle competition. Discussing the teaching profession with you is a waste of time.

Flash

 

[Shorts]

As a tax payer I feel free oddly enough free to criticise the government, the expedeniture of my money, how they do their business, and their employees I pay for. Had I been lamenting how the supreme court conducted their duties or how they were compensated I think the post would not have drawn a ripple. But it seems our education has created conditioned responses. Oh no, can't question government education. Pavlov would be proud. Conditioning for certain reactions is not odd. In most cases anyone who said they were in a militia would be instantly vilified as a wacko crazy. Try saying you are a militia member to an eleventh grader. Our government has worked very hard to educate their charges toward certain trains of thought. Had I said the automobile manufacturer's union workers get paid too much and I think they are the partial cause of their industry's downfall the reaction would be different. If I was a social engineer I would make the schools my holy shrine and make their deification my first priority. Must own the the youth. Change the message bit by bit and when the student becomes the teacher you are on your way to owning the way the nation thinks.

But you aren't mashing the govt. You're mashing teachers. And you started with your very first post pissing on the teachers.

What is your message? Clarify

I would like to offer a Hawg view of one of the profound detrimental effects to America. Your friendly neighborhood school teacher who lives right in your town. Teacher's and the school board adiministrations are grossly over paid and under qualified. Teacher's and the school board adiministrations are focused on bleeding the tax payer dry and indoctrinating your children to become mindless left wing robot. You as a parent cannot compete with their thought control regiment and the government schools not the parents are downloading the government authorized set of values and morals into your kids during the critical formative years in a child's development. Separation of church and state is now irrelevant because the new government mandated religion is liberalism and the church is the government school. Your school teachers are the clergy. If you disagree with them, you the parent are the sinner. America as you knew it is gone and will not return without school choice and educational funding being in the parent's hand not the government. It probably took the government 2-4 generations to get the desired results. No guess as to how long a correction would take.

 

[DCortez]

What is your message? Clarify

 

[Hawghauler]

My view is quite simple. Public schools as a whole no longer are institutions of education as I believe it should be (education without social indoctrination) but rather a bastion of liberal indoctrination administered by union owned government paid employees. That private schools or home schooling offer better education alternatives and education is better off in the hands of free enterprise. Those non union teachers NOT recieving a government check.......this rant does NOT apply to you. Our government is heading toward socialism, unions fund the socialist canditates, union employees are educating our children, the teachers union is one of the strongest allies to the socialist left.

 

[TexasRedneck]

So....tell me.....who is gonna PAY for the schools? While I agree, the realist in me screams that the same idiots that won't bother to get insurance coverage unless their employer provides it for 'em are also the same ones that'll "home school" - and the one doin' the teaching is going to be the same one that never got past basic skills.
There's got to be a way of doing this - problem being, there's no simple answer. I've often thought that we should try a voucher system that'd force the various schools to compete for their "business" - I strongly dislike that it'd still be government funded, but maybe after a generation of government funding folks would start demanding private funding and abolishing the draconian school tax system currently in place.

 

[DCortez]

So....tell me.....who is gonna PAY for the schools?

The taxpayer. Lots of people pay more than their share. People without kids at home, those that send their kids to private schools, and families that choose to home school.

 

[Shorts]

The taxpayer. Lots of people pay more than their share. People without kids at home, those that send their kids to private schools, and families that choose to home school.

Already doing that. And with the way kids come out these days, WE WANT OUR MONEY BACK!