AR-15 or a 9mm carbine?

[Younggun]

That's what I'm saying. You don't have to change the magazine for different purpose ammo. Load them both or load more options.


30 rd magazine. 10 green tip, 10 soft point, 10 hollow point.

You edited your post after my reply.


At any rate, it's still not all that good an idea. You stack HP first (I'm assuming not handgun since it won't really matter) up to Green tip. He starts behind the door, you are supposedly wasting your HP on the door, or you sit and wait for him to move, which he won't cause he's not getting hit.


But car doors don't stop bullets, HP or otherwise so it's not really relevant.


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[grasshopperglock]

Then load two hollow points and the rest green tip. That second you can access the target before he jumps behind something.


Double Tap with hollow point. From that point on, there's not much he's gonna be able to hide behind.

 

[grasshopperglock]

The ratio isn't set in stone. Neither is which ammo go's first or last. Folks have been doing it for years in shotguns. Buck shot, buckshot, slug....slug, buck shot, slug...


Different capabilities in the same mag.

 

[Younggun]

And relevant to AR-15 or PCC for home defense how?




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[grasshopperglock]

And relevant to AR-15 or PCC for home defense how?




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Over penetration concern. How to address over penetration and use such as a personal advantage. How a single firearm can use a single magazine and have multiple advantages. With it referring to both 9mm carbines and AR platform rifles plus AR pattern carbines.

 

[Younggun]

Any difference in penetration through interior walls will be negligible within the same platform with various bullet designs.

Only difference possibly being varmint design bullets for .223 which will likely act like a frangible. Frangible shouldn't be used in any defense situation, IMO.


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[grasshopperglock]

Any difference in penetration through interior walls will be negligible within the same platform with various bullet designs.

Only difference possibly being varmint design bullets for .223 which will likely act like a frangible. Frangible shouldn't be used in any defense situation, IMO.


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You know your bullets and it has you thinking. Home defense, one gun, one mag. You know they're diving for cover after the first exchange. Adjust the ammo within one mag to address that. Whatever ratio for when you'll figure that to occur.

 

[Younggun]

No need.


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[grasshopperglock]

No need.


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I agree. My house is sheet rock surrounded by siding and some limited brick. I'm not using an AR. 40cal yes, 5.56 no. Now if you live in a heavily bricked house.....or a ranch. AR all day long.

 

[grasshopperglock]

Then there's the fly in the details. Encountering somebody else with an AR.

 

[Younggun]

I agree. My house is sheet rock surrounded by siding and some limited brick. I'm not using an AR. 40cal yes, 5.56 no. Now if you live in a heavily bricked house.....or a ranch. AR all day long.

Except that the .40 will penetrate your exterior walls better. No matter the ammo you choose.

You need to do more research on what happens to the bullets after they penetrate a barrier. An AR isn't the weapon of mass destruction it's made out to be and the 5.56 cartridge has some limitations. There's a reason the military has changed bullet composition and design so many times trying to find one that works well after passing through a barrier.


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[grasshopperglock]

Except that the .40 will penetrate your exterior walls better. No matter the ammo you choose.

You need to do more research on what happens to the bullets after they penetrate a barrier. An AR isn't the weapon of mass destruction it's made out to be and the 5.56 cartridge has some limitations. There's a reason the military has changed bullet composition and design so many times trying to find one that works well after passing through a barrier.


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I'm on the same team. It's not solely about protection, hunting, target practice. It's the weapons I expect to be used against me. While I could defend myself with a 380 pos. It's the weapons of the other side that bring me concern.

Truth. I don't give a $hit what it'll penetrate. Up to a point.

 

[dmessy]

In my original post of recommending using a 9mm pistol over a AR in an urban area was my misguided thinking that the hollow point will immediately expand and slow down. In reality, hollow points plug with material and penetrate extensively. The 5.56 (lead tip) imparts a huge load of energy upon impact then rapidly slows down

 

[Younggun]

Yep.

Lots of bullets do unexpected things.


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[jeepinbanditrider]

Don't bother trying to mix ammo types (ammo cocktail) in one magazine. Waste of time, and if held any merit one of the slew load of firearms schools in the country would teach it, or some of the 17 thousand plus law enforcement agencies in the US would do it. Pick a quality well known defensive ammo and roll with it.

 

[grasshopperglock]

Don't bother trying to mix ammo types (ammo cocktail) in one magazine. Waste of time, and if held any merit one of the slew load of firearms schools in the country would teach it, or some of the 17 thousand plus law enforcement agencies in the US would do it. Pick a quality well known defensive ammo and roll with it.

Where did you think I came up with it? Felons addressed up front. Then recovers to a barricade. My duty gun carried hollow point. Second mag was a mix of hollow and ball. Third, hollow point.



You'd be surprised at the experience on TGT.

 

[grasshopperglock]

Don't bother trying to mix ammo types (ammo cocktail) in one magazine. Waste of time, and if held any merit one of the slew load of firearms schools in the country would teach it, or some of the 17 thousand plus law enforcement agencies in the US would do it. Pick a quality well known defensive ammo and roll with it.

9mm.

 

[Younggun]

Don't bother trying to mix ammo types (ammo cocktail) in one magazine. Waste of time, and if held any merit one of the slew load of firearms schools in the country would teach it, or some of the 17 thousand plus law enforcement agencies in the US would do it. Pick a quality well known defensive ammo and roll with it.

I agree.


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[Texas42]

Where did you think I came up with it? Felons addressed up front. Then recovers to a barricade. My duty gun carried hollow point. Second mag was a mix of hollow and ball. Third, hollow point.



You'd be surprised at the experience on TGT.

You find a good load and stick with it. How do you know that your first shit won't need to penetrate X? Or prefer to have HP? You got a crystal ball. Plenty of good barrier blind loads out there that do good.

 

[acorneau]

... How do you know that your first shit won't need to penetrate X?