Appleseed Project?
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Awesome 2 day class. Took it a few months ago and for a person with no formal marksmanship training, like myself, was great
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Appleseed Project?
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There are other paths, young padawan.
Formal instruction saves time but whatever is being taught must come from somewhere. A little review of how the Big Bear Leatherslaps morphed into the Southwestern Combat Pistol Leage that gave rise to The Modern Technique might help you open up to the notion that sometimes the best way forward is to find it on your own. This is true not just of whole schools of thought/technique but, and far more often, for personal journeys into competence.
whats you're area? I'm confident there is some quality stuff near you. What do you do in order to find information on instructors?I really wish I had access to more training but my area has little to no training sessions. That means that I must travel to get training which in turns adds to cost. I've done a few sessions but for the most part they have been fairly basic.
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whats you're area? I'm confident there is some quality stuff near you. What do you do in order to find information on instructors?
Tactical Ranch looks promising. I would ask some good questions of the cadre like "who have you trained with recently" "what is your training philosophy" "Do you ever host out of state instructors?"I live in El Paso.
I will usually ask around to see if anyone has experience with a specific instructor. When possible I'll contact the instructor and ask about their experience.
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so i think the semantic discussion between training and practice has derailed this thread a bit.
Yes, you can learn from books. The information comes from experiences from many people over many many years. Good instructors have gathered experience from their own experiences, books, others experiences, research and from students in their classes. This is a massive amount of information distilled and provided in a 1 or 2 day (typically) format for reasonable prices. Yes, you could read books and have no guarantee of doing the techniques described correctly. Yes you can watch YouTube videos but again, you only get a piece of the puzzle. In a quality training class, you get not only high caliber information but also feedback some an SME guaranteeing you are doing whatever it is correctly.
Training requires feedback from someone with the expert knowledge. You cannot get that from a book, yourself, your buddy Joe, your uncle Bill or the internet.
Why reinvent the wheel? I understand perfecting the wheel (in theory) but to find your own way to competence....why? That seems like a terrible idea that would yield unreliable results in a massive amount of wasted time and money.
I enjoy shooting. No time or money spent at the range is wasted.
Let me ask this. What is the most complicated aspect of firing a handgun and hitting a target?
Do you have training in rhetoric?we are going back and forth on terminology at this point but i think we are speaking the same language. This does represent an interesting "language barrier" we have when discussing this topic.
Yea.....college. expensive stuffDo you have training in rhetoric?
posted mainly because I know that just the sight of this guy infuriates some people.
A surprisingly middle-of-the-road take on this subject, posted mainly because I know that just the sight of this guy infuriates some people.
so i think the semantic discussion between training and practice has derailed this thread a bit.
Training requires feedback from someone with the expert knowledge. You cannot get that from a book, yourself, your buddy Joe, your uncle Bill or the internet.
I respectfully disagreed here: Paul Howe (CSAT Training - Combat Shooting And Tactics) has an excellent set of videos, produced by Panteao - his own CSAT targets for training purposes and CSAT Standards for use with these targets. (along with quite a few articles on his CSAT web-site).
Using his standards. along with reviewing his videos and his articles below, dang near anyone can realistically, improve all manner of their shooting skills. I especially like his targets and shooting standards, they are no-nonsense and work.
Here's a link to his articles: http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published.htm
You'll find a bit of background on Paul Howe if ya take the time to look him up online or read his books, as he was one of the Delta force guys in Somalia during a little military engagement known as Black-hawk Down - nice guy, very friendly and approachable. I have met him in town here at the local Mexican restaurant and conversed with him at his shop when buying some of his products - hope to train with him this later year, after I feel confident enough that I can meet his shooting standards.
Background on Mr. Howe and his targets here on youtube :
Why is it so important to you how others choose to train?
Why do you feel the average (or possibly above average in this group) gun owner couldn't adequately employ their firearm when needed?
How proficient do you think someone should be before they decide they've spent enough money on training classes?
Do you feel those who choose no to spend money on training classes are less safe?