Alcohol in your system while carrying

[ZX9RCAM]

And, as was asked, what do you do after you've "had a few" and someone tries to forcibly make entry into your domicile? Do a few drinks negate your right to self defense? I surely hope not!

Yeah, I'm not a drinker anyway, just curious how these "carry insurance" people would handle it.

 

[cycleguy2300]

And, as was asked, what do you do after you've "had a few" and someone tries to forcibly make entry into your domicile? Do a few drinks negate your right to self defense? I surely hope not!

First off "home invasions" are not random. In my experience the several I have seen at work are drug rips... don't sell drugs and your risk is nil.

Now then...

"At home" isn't a public place. Your right to self defence would not be lessened because you are drunk. You have a right to be there drunk or not, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a serious PITA for you.

If you are out in the front yard that's a different story...

Sometimes being a responsible person means making the choice to not always do what we would like to do. If you are going to carry to dinner and have *a* drink you probably won't have any problems, but if you are going somewhere where like a actual bar to have several drinks, that's a recipe for big problems. Not only because of the likely hood of basicly being PI while carring and therefore getting a UCW charge as well, but many of these type establishments would be posted 51% (red sign) and the entire PROPERTY is off limits while carrying under a LTC. Bottom line if you make a series of bad decisions be ready to sleep in the bed you made.

I'm not a lawyer, just a cop so take this how you like.

I will, on occasion have *a* nice dark stout or porter while I'm out with a burger or pizza, or have a sip of my wife's margarita but that is it. I carry under a different law than LTC and can even carry into a bar, but one is my limit for the night no exceptions. I don't want there to be any real question, from me or others, about my judgement should I be forced to use deadly force.

One beer is the most I am comfortable with for myself. Use common sense and good judgement and you shouldnt have anything to worry about. As for me I'd rather carry than drink, not that I drink much anyway (I've not even had my first beer for the year).

You're adults, decide what the law allows and then decide what your choice within the law is. "Just because you can" is the worst reason to do something. Like I already said, would you rather carry or have some drinks. I know the risks of my one beer, and accept them. You make your own choice, but know a series of small bad choices can have major consequences.

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[Charlie]

First off "home invasions" are not random. In my experience the several I have seen at work are drug rips... don't sell drugs and your risk is nil.

Now then...

"At home" isn't a public place. Your right to self defence would not be lessened because you are drunk. You have a right to be there drunk or not, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a serious PITA for you.

If you are out in the front yard that's a different story...

Sometimes being a responsible person means making the choice to not always do what we would like to do. If you are going to carry to dinner and have *a* drink you probably won't have any problems, but if you are going somewhere where like a actual bar to have several drinks, that's a recipe for big problems. Not only because of the likely hood of basicly being PI while carring and therefore getting a UCW charge as well, but many of these type establishments would be posted 51% (red sign) and the entire PROPERTY is off limits while carrying under a LTC. Bottom line if you make a series of bad decisions be ready to sleep in the bed you made.

I'm not a lawyer, just a cop so take this how you like.

I will, on occasion have *a* nice dark stout or porter while I'm out with a burger or pizza, or have a sip of my wife's margarita but that is it. I carry under a different law than LTC and can even carry into a bar, but one is my limit for the night no exceptions. I don't want there to be any real question, from me or others, about my judgement should I be forced to use deadly force.

One beer is the most I am comfortable with for myself. Use common sense and good judgement and you shouldnt have anything to worry about. As for me I'd rather carry than drink, not that I drink much anyway (I've not even had my first beer for the year).

You're adults, decide what the law allows and then decide what your choice within the law is. "Just because you can" is the worst reason to do something. Like I already said, would you rather carry or have some drinks. I know the risks of my one beer, and accept the. You make your own choice, but knowAmajor consequences.

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All good advice!

 

[Shady]

If I drank and was involved in a home invasion. You can bet my first action after calling the PoPo is get a beer or whisky and have it in hand when they get there saying I was so upset I had to get a drink to calm down.

 

[jmohme]

And, as was asked, what do you do after you've "had a few" and someone tries to forcibly make entry into your domicile? Do a few drinks negate your right to self defense? I surely hope not!

To me it is no different than many other things in life. It's about limiting my exposure to danger and the liabilities associated with them.
If someone kicks in my front door, then at that point, I don't care if there is alcohol in my system or not. I am protecting myself and my family.
When it is all over, if they check my BAC, then I guess the courts will answer your question.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Well , of course nobody cares, but I am just curious.
What would the people one pays to cover them have to say about the situation?
Tough luck, or you're covered?

 

[easy rider]

Well , of course nobody cares, but I am just curious.
What would the people one pays to cover them have to say about the situation?
Tough luck, or you're covered?

That is a good question, and even though I'm a sober alcoholic, I am curious. It probably also would depend on where you are, I'm thinking. An Austin DA would probably push for a stiffer penalty, if they could, over a more conservative area.

I really don't know, it's just my thoughts.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

That is a good question, and even though I'm a sober alcoholic, I am curious. It probably also would depend on where you are, I'm thinking. An Austin DA would probably push for a stiffer penalty, if they could, over a more conservative area.

I really don't know, it's just my thoughts.

You are referring to the prosecution, I am asking about the defense (the carry insurance people).

 

[majormadmax]

Obviously some people don't understand the point of a rhetorical question...

 

[Younggun]

I'm just surprised I seem to have read that having a few drinks somehow negates your right to self defense in a public place.

 

[leVieux]

Officers' attitudes may determine fates.

Some 40 years ago, I was in a group of folks who owned "beach trucks" @ Corpus Christi. Those were big 3/4 or 1-ton 4WD pickups with very large tires, double or triple fuel capacities, and the "rescue equipment" likely to be needed if we ran into troubles when 60 miles past the "driveable areas".

This was decades before CHL's, "Carry Permits", etc. There were signs all over "NO Firearms Allowed on National Seashore".

The Ranger patrols to the Port Mansfield channel were only 2/24 hours.

We went for exploring, beach combing, surf fishing, or to just "get away". We almost always had large chests of cold beer.

As we were there many weekends and weekdays, the Rangers knew us, and knew that we weren't any trouble. In fact, we often helped by rescuing those stranded, reporting problems, or by aiding their searches.

Serious crimes were happening out there fairly regularly: assaults, rapes, robberies, even murders.

Privately, we heard from the Rangers that we'd be crazy to venture out unarmed.

Most took rifles and handguns in our trucks, but kept them out of sight.

I don't recall any problem. None.

Your choice, your risk. But remember, all risks are "relative".

leVieux

 

[cycleguy2300]

I'm just surprised I seem to have read that having a few drinks somehow negates your right to self defense in a public place.

It's a fine line.

Say you've had a few drinks, what ever that means to you, and you have a small buzz going you are confronted with a possible deadly force situation. How confident are you that you will make the objectively reasonable descision that another reasonable, but sober, person could make in simular circumstances?

Even a person so drunk they are vomiting and peeing on themselves has a right to defend themself with deadly force should it be objectivly reasonable, but a person in that state cleary has lost the mental and physical facilties to decide if something is objectivly reasonable so you better hope your buzzed or tipsy or vomiting self makes the right choice.

A drunk can usually drive home A-OK, but that doesn't mean intoxicated persons should be allowed to drive.

Every choice has consequences, some good some bad. The choice to exercise one freedom sometimes limits our other freedoms. You can't play checkers on a Monopoly board...



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[Younggun]

My point is that regardless of ones state of annebriation, they have the same rights to defense under the same circumstances as someone who is stone cold sober.

 

[easy rider]

In a perfect world, we would all be judged fairly.

 

[Texas42]

That's why you should keep a couple of 55g drums handy around the house and a bag of lime...

How bad is it that I first thought you meant green limes for drinking? Big party your place!

 

[Texan-in-Training]

In a perfect world, we would all be judged fairly.

So much of what I see these days calls for a fair witness... Robert Heinlein - "Stranger In A Strange Land".

 

[easy rider]

So much of what I see these days calls for a fair witness... Robert Heinlein - "Stranger In A Strange Land".

I'll have to read that book again, I think I was 13 when I read it. Heinlein was one of my favorite authors back then.

 

[Charlie]

In a perfect world, we would all be judged fairly.

Wait! You mean it's not a perfect world??? I've been fooled!

 

[Younggun]

Wait! You mean it's not a perfect world??? I've been fooled!

It would be, but the leftist haven't quite figured out how to ban wrong think yet.

 

[easy rider]

Wait! You mean it's not a perfect world??? I've been fooled!

Too much hiding in your safe place it seems.