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[dmancornell]

Wow. Talking about an amazing denial of reality.

You deny that Iraq used chemical weapons on Iran and on its own people?

Nope, never did. But that was not the justification for the war.

And what use is yellowcake if you have no nuclear weapons ambition? I suppose you believe this was for peaceful research?

Yellowcake is used to generate reactor fuel. You linked an article where Canada took control of Iraqi yellowcake to run their own electrical plants.

You deny that mustard artillery shells were found being used as WMD's?

ISG chemical tests stated that poor storage has rendered every chemical they found impotent, including the ones they found in shells. Ergo, no active WMD program.

I can post many more independent reports, but that would be wasted given your state of denial. I would hate to confuse you with more facts.

That is entirely your prerogative.

 

[Vaquero]

Reckon y'all disagree.

 

[dmancornell]

oldag,

"Dave" wouldn't believe that he's been LIED TO, played for a dunce & that he has swallowed the Moron Left's BRAVO SIERRA "hook, line & sinker" if he personally was present & SAW the poison gas.

Played by whom? David Kay reported directly to Donald Rumsfeld and he was solely responsible for the entirety of the ISG's operations.

 

[satx78247]

To All,

The above comment/# 61 is a classic example of that WILLFUL BLINDNESS that I mentioned in #60. = I would also describe that mental affliction as: SELF-deception.

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

Reckon y'all disagree.

Vaquero,

I believe that nobody here will disagree with your conclusion.= CHUCKLE.

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

Played by whom? David Kay reported directly to Donald Rumsfeld and he was solely responsible for the entirety of the ISG's operations.

dmancarnell,

Do you REALLY believe that David Kay was "THE EXPERT" on all things pertaining to WMD and/or was the sole person who was present to SEE what was later denied??
(My guess was that he was directed to deny, in public, what he had to have known about poison gas & other lethal chemical agents that US & Allied forces recovered & later destroyed.)

yours, satx

 

[easy rider]

To me this looks a lot like trying to talk sense into a liberal gun banner, he's made up his mind and I don't think he's open to changing it.

 

[satx78247]

easy rider,

YEP.
To quote an old saying: There are none blinder than those who won't see.

yours, satx

 

[TxStetson]

If y’all put him on ignore, your blood pressure would drop, and you could stop typing angry.

 

[dmancornell]

dmancarnell,

Do you REALLY believe that David Kay was "THE EXPERT" on all things pertaining to WMD and/or was the sole person who was present to SEE what was later denied??
(My guess was that he was directed to deny, in public, what he had to have known about poison gas & other lethal chemical agents that US & Allied forces recovered & later destroyed.)

yours, satx

That is a strawman. Kay was responsible for the US government effort to locate a WMD program in Iraq after the war. The report that his organization produced (not him personally) documents the failure of that effort. You can read the report for yourself and draw your own conclusions, but what I haven't seen is any evidence that contradicts that report. As for your guess to why he lied, what would be his motive? His entire chain of command has a vested interest to find a WMD program, what does he stand to gain? His successor also came to the same conclusion, by the way.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Damn.

If they hadn't done such a poor job of storing all the gas they had produced, somebody might have found something.

As it was, all the gas they produced and stored as WMDs were worthless.

 

[dmancornell]

True. But since Iraq did not have an active WMD program after the First Gulf War up to the 2003 invasion, the gas was abandoned and left to decompose. That is what the ISG concluded.

 

[satx78247]

dmancarnell,

I have NO idea why he "failed to be truthful" in the public report. - I want to believe that he was "directed to hide the truth", rather than believing that he is a LIAR

Fyi, I've often been directed "by higher authority" to mislead the public & the enemies of the USA, as the general public lacks "the need to know". - Deception & pretenses are the nature of the craft.

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

If y’all put him on ignore, your blood pressure would drop, and you could stop typing angry.

TxStetson,

Obviously, I cannot speak for anyone else but I'm NOT angry. - Instead, I'm coming really close to LAUGHING AT him for being a clueless DUMB-bunny.

yours, satx

 

[dmancornell]

dmancarnell,

I have NO idea why he "failed to be truthful" in the public report. - I want to believe that he was "directed to hide the truth", rather than believing that he is a LIAR

Fyi, I've often been directed "by higher authority" to mislead the public & the enemies of the USA, as the general public lacks "the need to know". - Deception & pretenses are the nature of the craft.

yours, satx

Did all the members of the Iraq Intelligence Commission also lie, and the Brits too with their Butler Inquiry? Both inquiries were run outside government control and both came to the same conclusion as the ISG.

 

[satx78247]

Did all the members of the Iraq Intelligence Commission also lie, and the Brits too with their Butler Inquiry? Both inquiries were run outside government control and both came to the same conclusion as the ISG.

dmancarnell,,

You just "don't get it", do you?

You will NEVER convince me with all the BRAVO SIERRA fromn government agencies that you dig up, as even CNN showed photos of many poison gas artillery shells on their network that stayed up about 4-5 hours & the "mysteriously disappeared" without a trace.
(CNN later claimed that poison gas "wasn't suitable to cause mass injury or death", so lethal gas was NOT a WMD. = That comment made the network LOOK dishonest and/or STUPID.)

I trust Frank, though I don't like him & I certainly don't trust the governments to do anything but what they were told to do by their bosses.

Also, the MOSSAD said that they saw the poison gas munitions that were later destroyed. = Would reading the IDI G2/Israeli Air Force reports make you wake up & smell the coffee??

The sooner that you figure out that government bureaucrats ROUTINELY LIE the better off that you'll be. Also, you'll LOOK SMARTER to others.


yours, satx

 

[dmancornell]

Isn't "Frank" a government employee? What gives him any more veracity than the rest of them?

Why does your skepticism of post-war intelligence failure investigations not extend to the pre-war intelligence itself? Especially when the former has the benefit of hindsight?

As for the Mossad, well, I'm sure they are just non-governmental neutral observers in this whole mess.

 

[satx78247]

dmancarnell,.

The difference is that I've known Frank for more than 2 decades & have never known him to lie.
Otoh, I've caught all too many government bureaucrats (including especially OBAMA) & politicians in lies that wouldn't fool my 9YO niece.

Don't bother to post to me again until/unless you see the TRUTH, as you look evermore "empty between the ears" & I'm tired of listening to BUNK & HOKEM.
(Btw, have you noted that nobody else here agrees with your foolishness?? - That should tell you something.)

yours, satx

 

[GrendelGibby15]

What kind of gas was it? How was it dispensed? Who manufactured the gas? Who manufactured the delivery system?

Do you believed the weapons of mass destruction excuse? Colin Powell straight lied about? If you feel that strongly about war. Go sign up. Are you edible for selective service? Get your boots and rifle and head out. Taking life isn't the same as on TV. Why not require more proof? Where does the constitution say we're the police of the world? I'm not sure you're tracking to the consequences of war.

From my understanding I herd they used chlorine gas. look up Alex Jones on youtube, he addresses the topic from every angle.

 

[dmancornell]

dmancarnell,.

The difference is that I've known Frank for more than 2 decades & have never known him to lie.
Otoh, I've caught all too many government bureaucrats (including especially OBAMA) & politicians in lies that wouldn't fool my 9YO niece.

Don't bother to post to me again until/unless you see the TRUTH, as you look evermore "empty between the ears" & I'm tired of listening to BUNK & HOKEM.
(Btw, have you noted that nobody else here agrees with your foolishness?? - That should tell you something.)

yours, satx

There is a distinction between lying and ignorance. Is Frank qualified to inspect munitions and assess their chemical contents? If not, then his claims are unproven anecdotes.

As for your last statement, dialectic is not a popularity contest. By parity of your logic, you can go to an anti-gun rally and be proven incorrect by weight of numbers. That is not how things work.