USA out of Iran deal

[Ole Cowboy]

That reads as if you just did it since he hasn't been NSA very long and I doubt that is the case.

I was not implying I did in the past week. Not sure how many on here know who Bolton is and I made that ref for the purpose of saying who he is. No doubt had I said it was Ambassador Bolton I am sure some may not have known.

That said nothing changes in what I posted, nothing!

 

[AustinN4]

I was not implying I did in the past week.

So what was the context of your trip. Were you part of Amb. Bolton's security detail?

Not sure how many on here know who Bolton is and I made that ref for the purpose of saying who he is. No doubt had I said it was Ambassador Bolton I am sure some may not have known.

I did, which I why I asked. As a FOX contributor, he was always introduced as former US Amb. to the UN (2005–2006) and as such was always very critical of the UN (deservedly so, IMO).

That said nothing changes in what I posted, nothing!

Just asking for clarification, don't get your panties in a twist.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

No, not a part of a security detail, our security detail was made up of Navy SEALs (incognito) and uniformed IDF Special Forces.

 

[F350-6]

Wanna put money on it?

Never mind, such things are illegal in Texas. If it wasn't. I'd throw down a $100 bill that says Israel is using you and me, our kiddos to fight their Jewish fight. Me personally, I think they're insane. We got fake news, we got fake friends.

$100

What exactly is the Jewish fight? Do you mean the one for survival?

Remind me of all the allies Israel has withing 1,000 miles of their border and compare that to the countries withing 1,000 miles who hate them.

Next we can discuss what help we've gotten from Mossad compared to what help we've gotten from say our close ally Saudi, when it comes to things like terror info or even the 9/11 attacks.

If I were on the front line fighting against terrorists today, I know who I'd rather have by my side in the trenches.

 

[Kar98]

Iran attacks Israel directly for the first time as it fires 20 rockets from Syria at military bases and Israeli jets respond by bombing Damascus amid fears of war a day after Trump tore up nuclear deal

 

[Vaquero]

Git some!
Go Israel !

 

[dmancornell]

Israel has been a loyal ally of the US for decades.

Tell that to the sailors on the USS Liberty. And the families of soldiers killed or crippled in Iraq fighting a totally senseless war heavy promoted by AIPAC.

The US-Israel alliance is basically the US government paying the Israelis for advice on what the US government should screw up in the Middle East next. Of course Israel loves the US, that is a great deal.

 

[oldag]

Tell that to the sailors on the USS Liberty. And the families of soldiers killed or crippled in Iraq fighting a totally senseless war heavy promoted by AIPAC.

The US-Israel alliance is basically the US government paying the Israelis for advice on what the US government should screw up in the Middle East next. Of course Israel loves the US, that is a great deal.

Nonsense. If you don't understand the threat that was posed by Saddam/Iraq, well, there is not much I can do for you.

 

[dmancornell]

Nonsense. If you don't understand the threat that was posed by Saddam/Iraq, well, there is not much I can do for you.

Feel free to explain the threat posed by Saddam Hussein on the security on the United States with WMD's that did not exist and an impotent economy and military.

The irony here is the Iraq debacle greatly strengthened the Iranian position in the region. I'd like to attribute this to incompetent shortsightedness when the invasion was "planned", but cynically setting up an Iraq-Iran 1-2 invasion is a slight possibility.

 

[oldag]

Feel free to explain the threat posed by Saddam Hussein on the security on the United States with WMD's that did not exist and an impotent economy and military.

The irony here is the Iraq debacle greatly strengthened the Iranian position in the region. I'd like to attribute this to incompetent shortsightedness when the invasion was "planned", but cynically setting up an Iraq-Iran 1-2 invasion is a slight possibility.

They did have WMD's and had used them. Try facts for a change.

I'm done with someone who denies reality when it does not match their desired narrative.

 

[pronstar]

They did have WMD's and had used them. Try facts for a change.

I'm done with someone who denies reality when it does not match their desired narrative.

Yup.
They ended up in Syria.
That’s where Assad got them.


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[AustinN4]

Yup. They ended up in Syria.
That’s where Assad got them.

Surely you jest. He claims he doesn't have any. (sarcasm)

 

[TAZ]

They did have WMD's and had used them. Try facts for a change.

I'm done with someone who denies reality when it does not match their desired narrative.

Saddam definitely had WMD’s and I’m pretty sure he used them on the Kurds. Pretty similar to what Assad is supposedly doing now. AFAIK he did not use them on US troops, even though he knew he had little to loose by doing so. Not sure if he tried to use them against Israel vis his SCUD launches. The USA has an interesting relationship with Israel to say the least, however the Iraq invasion had little to do with Israel wanting it to happen. That was more of a Saudi thing.

Not quite sure what that Israel has to do with the Iran deal. That was a horrible deal fir the USA and the west in general. It was a good thing that we bailed on it. Same as bailing on the idiotic Paris thing. Iran is lashing out at Israel trying to establish some cred after being bitch slapped by Trump.

 

[F350-6]

They did have WMD's and had used them. Try facts for a change.

Unfortunately Bush didn't push back against the media, who had their own agenda. Many folks aren't even aware of the old chemical weapons stockpiles that we found, guarded, and as we pulled out, ended up in the hands of ISIS.

But hey, we had more pressing issues to deal with. Like kids getting unhealthy meals at school, or how cops are so evil and spend all their time shooting black kids. Or something along those lines.

Why focus on WMD's, right?

 

[TAZ]

Unfortunately Bush didn't push back against the media, who had their own agenda. Many folks aren't even aware of the old chemical weapons stockpiles that we found, guarded, and as we pulled out, ended up in the hands of ISIS.

But hey, we had more pressing issues to deal with. Like kids getting unhealthy meals at school, or how cops are so evil and spend all their time shooting black kids. Or something along those lines.

Why focus on WMD's, right?

If it doesn’t fit the agenda it’s not news.

 

[dmancornell]

Saddam definitely had WMD’s and I’m pretty sure he used them on the Kurds. Pretty similar to what Assad is supposedly doing now. AFAIK he did not use them on US troops, even though he knew he had little to loose by doing so. Not sure if he tried to use them against Israel vis his SCUD launches. The USA has an interesting relationship with Israel to say the least, however the Iraq invasion had little to do with Israel wanting it to happen. That was more of a Saudi thing.

Not quite sure what that Israel has to do with the Iran deal. That was a horrible deal fir the USA and the west in general. It was a good thing that we bailed on it. Same as bailing on the idiotic Paris thing. Iran is lashing out at Israel trying to establish some cred after being bitch slapped by Trump.

Saddam using WMD's on the Kurds might be relevant if the Iraq War was launched in 1988, except that was when Saddam was an ally of the US government and he bought chemical weapons from France, Britain and the US. Fast forward to the actual relevant timeframe (2002 onwards) and the US backed UN inspectors said they found nothing. The ISG after the invasion found nothing.

Many folks aren't even aware of the old chemical weapons stockpiles that we found, guarded

These "chemical weapons stockpiles" were the exact same ones that the UN inspectors found after the first Gulf War, who deemed the stocks too dangerous to demolish and it was better to simple let the chemicals expire over time. These stocks were known to the US government and the UN, who locked them up then ordered the Iraqi military to guard them. These stocks were regularly inspected by the UN until they were looted after the invasion. Go figure.

One thing is absolutely certain: they weren't guarded by the time the US military found them. The US government never told the Pentagon where the bunkers were and as a result many were looted when the Iraqi military melted away. Such is the incompetence of the Iraq invasion.

Lastly, these abandoned and locked-up stockpiles weren't don't constitute an "active WMD program", which was the stated cause for war. The ISG noted that the ones they found that haven't been looted were almost entirely impotent. If Syria got some (and that is a big if), they wasted their money.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

No matter how you view it the ME is a mess, it's only been a mess for as long as we have known history. This is what happens when you allow Religion to define your politics. They all have hated each other at one time or another and they have all hated the Jews collectively. The whole Muslim thing is based upon hate and dominance over others and it depends upon the ignorance of its followers to survive. Their brutality is unmatched in a civilized world by any nation. They act more like gangs such as MS 13 this is due to tribalism. In order for a people to rise they must leave tribalism behind or they stay mired in the muck of rule of man not of law.

So why are we there? We are there to keep them from blowing up the world, give them a nuke, they will use a nuke. When you abide by a religion that promises 76 virgins when you die and most of your life you live in nothing but a "shithole" wiping your ass with one hand and eating with the other...now that is 5000 years of progress. Dying is better than living. If they really have 76 virgins they are gonna find out that virginity is way over rated and if your outlook on life is so messed up that this is the most important thing in it you might find out that heaven is more hell than heaven.

Our ONLY mistake in the ME is that we are working for free. Were I in charge they would pay in oil and or gold and not just them but the whole friggin world would pay our tab. Were it not for the US most of the world would be speaking a language other than their native one. The US, its soldiers and taxpayers have shouldered the burden of keeping the free world free and done it on our dime while they took all the money they did not need to spend to stay free and turn it into socialist programs. I blame the global rise of socialism on the US for doing the world dirty work and being the cop on the beat and not charging a dime to do so. In fact in most cases we have paid them to protect them. This is like the local police drive up to your door every Friday and give you a check to keep you safe from gangs and robbery everyday...STUPID far left thinking that believes you can buy love and respect. Point being Obama paying Iran $1.5 Billion in cash and where did it get us, or the mess in NoKo that gave them a nuke. That should have never happened.

Yes the ME is a mess and made far worse by the politics of appeasement that has slimed it way down to the ROE for the soldier on the ground. To the point that the bad guys had to have a gun and be shooting directly at you before you could return fire...thanks Obama. I would not trade one Pfc Infantry soldier's life for every life in the ME! WWII the civilian to combatant fatality ratio in World War II lies somewhere between 3:2 and 2:1, or from 60% to 67%, more civilians died than did soldiers. Under Obama Patton would have been Court-Martial along with most of the military combat General Officers and soldiers. We would have lost WWII had Obama and his thinking been in the Oval office.

 

[dmancornell]

So why are we there? We are there to keep them from blowing up the world, give them a nuke, they will use a nuke.

Well we're doing an absolutely awful job at that. Also, the only entity in the world right now with the capability to blow up the world is the US government. Is anyone surprised that Iran would seek means of protection from the US government when they have been subject to three decades of threats and sanctions?

Simple question on the comparative aggression of two governments: how many wars have the US government started in the Middle East in the last century, and how many wars have the Iranians started? The score is even more lopsided when one includes the wars started by US proxies in the region.

 

[F350-6]

Simple question on the comparative aggression of two governments: how many wars have the US government started in the Middle East in the last century, and how many wars have the Iranians started? The score is even more lopsided when one includes the wars started by US proxies in the region.

If you want to include US proxies, why do you choose to ignore Iran's state sponsored terrorism? Or do you just lump all the terrorism stuff into 1 so the count remains low?

 

[easy rider]

Well we're doing an absolutely awful job at that. Also, the only entity in the world right now with the capability to blow up the world is the US government. Is anyone surprised that Iran would seek means of protection from the US government when they have been subject to three decades of threats and sanctions?

Simple question on the comparative aggression of two governments: how many wars have the US government started in the Middle East in the last century, and how many wars have the Iranians started? The score is even more lopsided when one includes the wars started by US proxies in the region.

I'm sure they still have flights to the middle east if the U.S. is that appalling.