Indiana school shooting

[ZX9RCAM]

So now if you are a parent you cant keep a gun out for protection. Whats the point of a gun locked in a safe ?

Well, I certainly hope that you don't have guns out if young people come over, surely you can see the sense in that.

There are laws about it.

 

[AustinN4]

Well, I certainly hope that you don't have guns out if young people come over, surely you can see the sense in that.
There are laws about it.

We don't have kids at home, but every time we leave the the house the guns are locked in the safes as we don't want some break in, a kid or adult, to get any of our guns. When we come home, the safes are opened for access. We do this even if we are in and out multiple times per day.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

But you can understand that your comment I quoted makes you sound like you think guns should be accessible to anybody in the house whenever you are home.
What would you do if you had kids?

 

[easy rider]

It's funny that in the 60's I remember going to many homes as a child that had guns accessible and even at a young age I knew not to touch them. Even as a teen in the 70's I knew that messing with someones gun was a quick way to get my ass handed to me.

 

[LOCKHART]

I raised 7 kids, always had access to my guns anytime I wanted them, or needed them. My children KNEW what would happen if they dared to touch them without permission! But that was back in the 70's and 80's. There are parents now days that would shit themselves if they were in that situation now. A lot of folks shouldn't have kids.

 

[BillFairbanks]

To keep your kid from killing classmates? Every parent in these things says they didn't believe their kid was capable of such a thing. Well, they were!

A lot more kids kill other people with the cars their parents let them drive than ever murder someone with guns they steal from their parents.

The media highlights rare and horrific events. It is not a good barometer of what our actual problems are.


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[easy rider]

Yeah, I kept my guns in my bedroom, and my kids knew it was off limits unless me or my ex was in there.

 

[BillFairbanks]

But you can understand that your comment I quoted makes you sound like you think guns should be accessible to anybody in the house whenever you are home.
What would you do if you had kids?

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[ZX9RCAM]

It's funny that in the 60's I remember going to many homes as a child that had guns accessible and even at a young age I knew not to touch them. Even as a teen in the 70's I knew that messing with someones gun was a quick way to get my ass handed to me.

I've mentioned before that when I was growing up, all our guns were in a glass front display case which was never locked.

It's unfortunate that kids now days need to be protected from themselves.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

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This is nothing new.

Aren't there laws about getting ones ass handed to themselves if a child gets a hold of your gun and shoots someone?

 

[easy rider]

Too many children nowadays grow up on their own most the time, so laws to protect them are laws that everyone has to abide by. It's a shame that single parenting is looked upon as natural now.

 

[LOCKHART]

These are the same kids that got a ribbon or trophy in school just for participating whether they deserved it or not. To me that just sets them up for failure in later life. Some kids can't run fast or throw a ball. Just the way life is. But to give them a reward just to save their little feelings is wrong! Real life doesn't work like that.

 

[busykngt]

Certainly “hardening” the schools is a substantial part of the solution. Whether that’s arming those teachers who want to participate or increasing police presence (or LTC citizen volunteers) or both, it seems clear, the make-believe, fairytale world of “Gun Free Zones” has not and does not work! In fact, it just serves as tangible, proof-positive that criminals aren’t going to follow “the rules” (as if we needed any real proof of that).

I’m very skeptical that curtailing newscasts would have any effect on the ultimate outcome of these shooting episodes. First of all, the competitive environment ($$) of TV (or internet) news reporting would likely not lead to any kind of self-imposed censoring (unlike victims of rape). And secondly, to try and mandate that, would probably lead to First Amendment issues concerning the press. So IMHO, that’s not a practical thing to expect to happen (...public’s right to know and all that).

And further, I don’t ascribe to the idea, these kids are just trying to “out do” one another. While that may infrequently play some small role in some of their actions, I by no means think that’s any kind of main motivator. The problems these kids have, run much deeper than that. Even in Adam Lanza’s case (who was a body count contemplator), his main problem was his mental illness issues.

And still further, while I’m not opposed to stiff/harsh punishment for these kids, I believe a lot (most?) of these kids are suicidal. Those that don’t commit suicide, appear to have not given the least amount of thought to the reality of what incarceration will be like. For instance, I think the Santa Fe shooter kid, went literally from sleeping in a warm, safe, secure bed at night to sharing a jail (prison) cell with a equally dangerous criminal. (Well, perhaps I’m wrong about that since he’s on ‘suicide watch’- which, I suspect, means he’s in his own cell... at least for now). Anyway, the point is: they’re so overcome with their immediate perceived problem, they give no thought as to what their life will be like in ten years or five years, or even, what next year will bring. They completely lack impulse control.

 

[jrbfishn]

Yup

It's funny that in the 60's I remember going to many homes as a child that had guns accessible and even at a young age I knew not to touch them. Even as a teen in the 70's I knew that messing with someones gun was a quick way to get my ass handed to me.

A lot more kids kill other people with the cars their parents let them drive than ever murder someone with guns they steal from their parents.

The media highlights rare and horrific events. It is not a good barometer of what our actual problems are.


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And yup.
Most of my guns mostly stay out and loaded. The very few people that come to my house know this and to keep any minors away from them or don't bring minors. Anyone touching them, adult or minor, are encouraged to leave. Quickly. For their own safety.

Kids old enough to try to shoot people know they can just as easily get a gun on the street as Dads guns. The only way to stop them is teach them better. Or make the penalty not worth it.

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[BillFairbanks]

I don’t think there’s a minimum age in Texas for someone to own a rifle/shotgun. Just to buy from FFL.

So, there’s nothing to prevent a parent from buying a gun for their kid and letting them have access to it.

If a 16 year old is old enough to be responsible for driving a car, they are old enough to be responsible for handling a firearm. Cars are not less deadly than guns.


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[ZX9RCAM]

YupAnd yup.
Most of my guns mostly stay out and loaded. The very few people that come to my house know this and to keep any minors away from them or don't bring minors. Anyone touching them, adult or minor, are encouraged to leave. Quickly. For their own safety.

Kids old enough to try to shoot people know they can just as easily get a gun on the street as Dads guns. The only way to stop them is teach them better. Or make the penalty not worth it.

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Ditto.

I have several guns stashed around the house at all times.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I don’t think there’s a minimum age in Texas for someone to own a rifle/shotgun. Just to buy from FFL.

So, there’s nothing to prevent a parent from buying a gun for their kid and letting them have access to it.

If a 16 year old is old enough to be responsible for driving a car, they are old enough to be responsible for handling a firearm. Cars are not less deadly than guns.


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I was given my first gun at age 5 or 6.
Killed my first deer when I was 8.

 

[easy rider]

I don’t think there’s a minimum age in Texas for someone to own a rifle/shotgun. Just to buy from FFL.

So, there’s nothing to prevent a parent from buying a gun for their kid and letting them have access to it.

If a 16 year old is old enough to be responsible for driving a car, they are old enough to be responsible for handling a firearm. Cars are not less deadly than guns.


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At 16 I worked at a gun club (bird boy), I got to shoot when times were slow and also competed. I had a competition skeet O/U in my bedroom, I didn't keep it loaded though.

 

[BillFairbanks]

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[busykngt]

Cars are not less deadly than guns.

In the small high school I grew up in, cars were A LOT more deadly!
As I’ve posted before, shotguns were readily assessable in our household while all of us kids were growing up. We just knew better to not mess with them. (Of course, this was during the ‘60s).