Plan B - less than lethal

[Bozz10mm]

Who steals hubcaps anymore.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Shady & Old, I hear what you are saying and this is the old: Well if a frog had wings he would not bump his azz as he jumped over a log...I won't deny the premise but the reality is it did not go that way, not saying it could not have but it did not.

Its not in my nature to run, cower in a corner and hope the perp does not hurt me or my family, I don't come from that kind of stock and I was not raised that way. Its not a question of being afraid or not, or wanting to be Mr Tough guy. I have the same fears and questioning everyone else does, but I think and operate differently. I don't think twice, I step into the bloody arena, just how I am, I don't want to ever have to tell anyone I shoveled shit in Louisiana...

"There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.” No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!" [excerpt from the speech given by General Patton, somewhere in England, 5 June, 1944]

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Who steals hubcaps anymore.

What cars have hubcaps anymore....

 

[Shady]

The big difference is the frog just bumps his ass. If you are wrong it could lead to a bullet in your head or worse.

Shady & Old, I hear what you are saying and this is the old: Well if a frog had wings he would not bump his azz as he jumped over a log...I won't deny the premise but the reality is it did not go that way, not saying it could not have but it did not.

Its not in my nature to run, cower in a corner and hope the perp does not hurt me or my family, I don't come from that kind of stock and I was not raised that way. Its not a question of being afraid or not, or wanting to be Mr Tough guy. I have the same fears and questioning everyone else does, but I think and operate differently. I don't think twice, I step into the bloody arena, just how I am, I don't want to ever have to tell anyone I shoveled shit in Louisiana...

"There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, "Well, your Granddaddy shoveled shit in Louisiana.” No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, "Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-Bitch named Georgie Patton!" [excerpt from the speech given by General Patton, somewhere in England, 5 June, 1944]

 

[Ole Cowboy]

The big difference is the frog just bumps his ass. If you are wrong it could lead to a bullet in your head or worse.

Not if he had wings...I did not get to be this old and where I am at in life being wrong at the wrong time to many times.

 

[avvidclif]

The big difference is the frog just bumps his ass. If you are wrong it could lead to a bullet in your head or worse.

You need to reread the original post. OC watched long enough to know he was alone. He was stealthy enough to come up behind the guy, all the time being prepared to ventilate, if necessary. IE: his weapon was focused on the guy, one wrong move, need I say more. Once in charge of the situation he handled it correctly. He didn't blindly run into an "unknown". He was alerted to a situation, he evaluated it, and he responded.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Not if he had wings...I did not get to be this old and where I am at in life being wrong at the wrong time to many times.

Certainly, but all it takes is once....

 

[oldag]

Not if he had wings...I did not get to be this old and where I am at in life being wrong at the wrong time to many times.

Bottom line is - you did not KNOW. You gambled your life and that of your family. So the dice came up good that time. Still does not justify rolling the dice with your family on the line. It does not take being wrong "too many times". Just once...

 

[oldag]

Its not in my nature to run, cower in a corner and hope the perp does not hurt me or my family, I don't come from that kind of stock and I was not raised that way.

I never advocated that. Nor did the other poster.

Straw man.

 

[avvidclif]

Gotta love the Monday morning quarterbacks.

 

[BRD@66]

So...as usual, we are all in agreement.

 

[Charlie]

So...as usual, we are all in agreement.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Certainly, but all it takes is once....

You are so right and I have already had the box checked for me back in '67-'68 and you are also right its a safe bet I will die from those.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

I never advocated that. Nor did the other poster.

Straw man.

I did not say you are anyone did, what I told you was WHO I am, I am not special or unusual there have been millions like me over 1000's of years, we run, its that we just run to where the fight is, instead of where it's not.

 

[FireInTheWire]

The reason that I have revisited these thoughts is due to an unarmed carjacking in Cedar Park a few days ago. Dad still in the HEB. Mom & 2 kids go on to the car where she puts kids in back seat, herself in co-pilot seat & wait for Dad to catch up. Bad Guy slides into the drivers seat & tells Mom that she (& hers) need to get out of the car. They got out - but what if....

Excellent example of where I'm going with this. So, you can not change a persons mindset without very aggressive training and investing lots of time. My wife is a small frame woman. 4'8" 100lbs. She is very strong for her size... but her gun skills are not very good (she can shoot damn good) and when we wrestle around I can over power her when I turn up the heat. I'm 6'4" 215lbs. Her situational awareness is not that great... she's a stay at home mother of 3. She's not very tactical unless it's changing diapers or cleaning up juice.

I have really thought about getting her the Kimber pepper spray. She isn't aware of all the factors of welding a gun in a heated situation like backstop, keeping the gun from the bad guy, awareness to have the drop on the perp (or waiting her turn) or the training to respond when shtf. You have to reinforce muscle memory by spending time training on the range.

I read a article in my ballistic mag a few months ago. They interviewed multiple well trained/military folks. It struck a chord with me on one... the guy was a retired seal. They were asking how his training carried over into his family awareness when their in public. He said "my wife and I have sat down and discussed this and she is not comfortable with a gun nor taking the life of another human. So we really focus on situational awareness and she carries pepper spray". I thought it was a cool statement due to the fact that he respects her ability, thoughts and he is aware of her limitations. Pepper spray has it's place. It's better than nothing...

 

[seeker_two]

I do keep a couple of LTL options on me for those times when a fool doesn't necessarily need killing.....people like aggressive panhandlers, beligerrant drunks, or other perps that might not rate a bullet. Also, in the case of a mistake, you're just a shower and an apology from making things right again when you use pepper spray/gel. In fact, I think all school employees should have pepper spray/gel to deal with violent, unarmed students and others (in addition to armed LTC staff, of course.)

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[jordanmills]

The gun IS plan B. It never comes out first. Plan A is to talk or walk. So far, plan A has always worked. But at the point plan A doesn't work, I've got enough information to know that I need to use plan B immediately and without reservation, and I expect I'll do so.

 

[Shady]

As far as I am concerned if you are in my home uninvited especially in the dark hours you will not get a warning or talking to from me. You will get a double tap and see where it goes from there.

If you submit fine ill call 911 you reach charge or try to run I duno what you are running too you will get 2 more.

 

[MTA]

Plan B is another magazine

 

[TheDan]

Plan B is the gun. Plan A is running away

I do keep pepper spray in the car in case I have to go in somewhere that is posted, but that's more of a plan F... I'd never carry it normally.