Houston police: 4 officers wounded, 2 of 3 suspects dead

[sharkey]

We get it.
You’re the smartest guy in the room, and its over our heads.

Clearly I’m too dumb for my own good.

You have no idea what citizens like me are like.

If you’re unable to articulate a point for retards like me, them perhaps you should take your patronizing bullshit elsewhere.



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Yeah sometimes when you can't argue with facts, you resort to self deprecating humor. I get it, sometimes experience, truth, and facts from others feels patronizing.
Is it BS? Prove it.

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[perfor8]

Indeed, it sounds like you do and proud of it. The guy who sued me for breaking his leg, lost. The lady who filed a written complaint against me lost too. All of which to say our stories have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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What, in your opinion, is "the subject at hand"?

 

[sharkey]

If you don't know what it says about you then maybe you are delusional and retarded. Or it could be that you are just a typical cop who thinks that whatever you or your 'brothers' do is just fine, even if there is needless killing involved. And judging from what you have posted you sure seem to be "completely in bed with the NRA".



Are you including me in those folks here that say one thing and mean another? If so what have I said that I don't mean?



I have no reason to believe that you are not being honest with me. I believe that you are being honest when you say that police should shoot more people.



Could you show me where I said "I support the police but......" and followed it up with something asinine that I heard from a rumor or make believe theory or some comment from a magazine like Reason?

So rather than explain your statement what it says about me, you will just go with I am delusional. I would expect nothing more from you. So what makes up a typical cop? Surely yourself with no experience doing it has all the answers. Your reply that we all believe that whatever we do is fine is typical of citizens with attitudes against LE. I am in bed with the NRA because I dont believe like you do concerning that association. Again with implications and innuendos.

Did I single you out specifically? No I said some here. Maybe you just feel some guilt? I dunno but after the "typical cop and we all think we can do no wrong" remark, yeah I am gonna include you in that.

Curious, how do you know the couple was needlessly killed? Go ahead, splain ot to me.

Me, I am gonna go watch the fights now so you have all night to explain it.



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[sharkey]

What, in your opinion, is "the subject at hand"?

The subject is the title of the thread. Hello.

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[perfor8]

The subject is the title of the thread. Hello.

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The title which you "guessed" wouldn't happen to me, whereupon I stated that it had (minus the itchy trigger fingers) to which you replied with your war stories, all of which is pertinent to the subject at hand.

 

[Frank59]

LoL! Whoever said Texas Gun Talk is boring sure as hell hasn't been reading this thread!!!!

 

[RoadRunner]

So rather than explain your statement what it says about me, you will just go with I am delusional. I would expect nothing more from you. So what makes up a typical cop? Surely yourself with no experience doing it has all the answers. Your reply that we all believe that whatever we do is fine is typical of citizens with attitudes against LE. I am in bed with the NRA because I dont believe like you do concerning that association. Again with implications and innuendos.

You have already explained what it says about you when you said that you think cops should shoot more people.

Did I single you out specifically? No I said some here.

You quoted my post.

Maybe you just feel some guilt?

I have nothing to feel guilty about.

I dunno but after the "typical cop and we all think we can do no wrong" remark, yeah I am gonna include you in that.

If the shoe fits. And I surely think that it does.

Curious, how do you know the couple was needlessly killed? Go ahead, splain ot to me.

I guess that you are really that stupid. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR A NO KNOCK WARRANT! The 2 people that are now dead could have been arrested elsewhere probably without incident. And the cops probably would not have been injured. But of course that would not have been as much fun for the cops. And you say oh well, "chit happens". You don't seem to care that 2 people are dead and 4 cops were injured, some seriously injured.

Me, I am gonna go watch the fights now so you have all night to explain it.

Yeah run along and play don't worry about all the people who were hurt in this incident. And I don't mean just the 2 dead and 4 injured. I am sure that they all have families who are hurt by this too.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Uh this was a cluster F. The fact that the war on drugs is overplayed is the problem. Unless there was a life and death issue, this should never happen. The cops legally broke into this guy's home. They had better expect that a home owner might mistake them for thugs. This happened in North Richland hills. The police did a no knock raid on the home of Barbara Davis, because her son was selling pot and when he came with a gun from the back of the house they shot and killed him. There is no solution to drug use other than treating it as a health problem.

 

[AustinN4]

deleted as it became obvious.

 

[sharkey]

The title which you "guessed" wouldn't happen to me, whereupon I stated that it had (minus the itchy trigger fingers) to which you replied with your war stories, all of which is pertinent to the subject at hand.

Your illegal arrest has 0 to do with this thread. Show me the comparisons.

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[sharkey]

I guess that you are really that stupid. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR A NO KNOCK WARRANT! The 2 people that are now dead could have been arrested elsewhere probably without incident. And the cops probably would not have been injured. But of course that would not have been as much fun for the cops. And you say oh well, "chit happens". You don't seem to care that 2 people are dead and 4 cops were injured, some seriously injured.

I won't reply to all your other drivel because it really doesn't matter. You have 2 camps - those who do not want a no knock warrant for drug warrants and those who see the need for them. The majority of those that do not want it have never done it. Those that have done it favor it. You are the stupid one for calling it "fun". It was challenging to go up against criminals, some who might try to kill you. Again you do not understand that. Many parts of my job over 20 years was NOT fun. Granted, there was some fun to be had.

If the couple had a criminal record and 15 pounds of heroin had been found, this thread most likely would not exist. It sounds like HPD narcs ran this like every other one before that. Not every search warrant turns up what is specified in the warrant. Again, you seem to have an issue grasping that concept. Again alluding to how we all stick up for each other (been watching too much tv) because we are typical cops and how it is so fun for us to face the risk of possibly getting murdered. But no, you support LE.....

The difference between me and some here, to include you, is you'll want to deal in possibilities and I want to deal in probabilities. The Inv. isn't even finished yet. As for being the smartest guy here, well I was at the top of my academy class, largest at the time, but it is more like - In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.


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[sharkey]

LoL! Whoever said Texas Gun Talk is boring sure as hell hasn't been reading this thread!!!!

Well, it is getting kinda boring. I checked the new thread section first and there wasnt much interesting so I came back here - like a dog to his vomit.

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[leVieux]

I won't reply to all your other drivel because it really doesn't matter. You have 2 camps - those who do not want a no knock warrant for drug warrants and those who see the need for them. The majority of those that do not want it have never done it. Those that have done it favor it. You are the stupid one for calling it "fun". It was challenging to go up against criminals, some who might try to kill you. Again you do not understand that. Many parts of my job over 20 years was NOT fun. Granted, there was some fun to be had.

If the couple had a criminal record and 15 pounds of heroin had been found, this thread most likely would not exist. It sounds like HPD narcs ran this like every other one before that. Not every search warrant turns up what is specified in the warrant. Again, you seem to have an issue grasping that concept. Again alluding to how we all stick up for each other (been watching too much tv) because we are typical cops and how it is so fun for us to face the risk of possibly getting murdered. But no, you support LE.....

The difference between me and some here, to include you, is you'll want to deal in possibilities and I want to deal in probabilities. The Inv. isn't even finished yet. As for being the smartest guy here, well I was at the top of my academy class, largest at the time, but it is more like - In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.


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NO! HELL NO !

We are American CITIZENS, and PRESUMED INNOCENT.

Anyone bursting through my door is going to get a helllovalot of ordnance, unless I can see marked LEO vehicles.

"Forced entries" are out of control. Overzealous prosecutors are out of control.

And, I am a big LEO supporter. My youngest is a police detective.

If we hope to succeed in the "War on Drugs", we must man-up and go after the ultimate source, the U.S. "recreational users". Yes, the teachers, lawyers, doctors, etc whose drug buys provide the fuel for the entire drug enterprise. Dealers, smugglers, & bought cops are SYMPTOMS !

leVieux

 

[seeker_two]

Good thing I’m not King for a day.

As long as you're Louis XVI.....

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[1911'S 4 Me]

In the posted inventory list Art Evader did not list the so- called .357 Tuttle "came from the back'' with shooting at the officers. Another cover up by HPD.

 

[AustinN4]

In the posted inventory list Art Evader did not list the so- called .357 Tuttle "came from the back'' with shooting at the officers. Another cover up by HPD.

Yep, just 2 rifles and 2 shotguns on the inventory.

 

[perfor8]

Your illegal arrest has 0 to do with this thread. Show me the comparisons.

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This thread has wandered around speculating whether police should expose themselves and those whom they serve to great risk of death by invading and discharging weapons inside (and perhaps outside in this case) otherwise law-abiding homes, executing pets, killing residents who are reacting normally, in search of evidence of voluntary flora transactions between consenting adult, to whether tactical mistakes were made, to whether the statement of a criminal CI should be considered PC by a judge, to the possibility of a cover-up (cover-up being a euphemism for "lies").

Some arrests/warrants are legit and necessary; some aren't. This thread has meandered around the subject of whether drug laws were violated in this instance, and the probity of those drug laws existing in the first place. Assuming those premises are affirmed, we've wondered whether this particular incident was legit, necessary, and well executed.

I only mentioned my arrest and subsequent Section 1983 class action in the first place to refute your statement guessing that a fucked up warrant wouldn't happen to me because no CI made a buy at my door, your smart-assed point being that this only happens to criminals. No CI or drugs was involved in my warrant/arrest but ridiculous over-reach with no shred of PC of a "crime" that shouldn't be a crime in the first place (mala prohibita vs. mala en se) WAS involved. It does happen. It did happen. Consider the themes compared.

 

[BillFairbanks]

What’s should an innocent person do when someone breaks down their door and shoots their dog?


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[ZX9RCAM]

What’s should an innocent person do when someone breaks down their door and shoots their dog?


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Been mentioned a few times...

It would suck to just "roll over" when home invaders bust into ones house in the middle of the night claiming to be police....


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[AustinN4]

What’s should an innocent person do when someone breaks down their door and shoots their dog?

In plain clothes, I add.