Let me ask you this then. Say I'm out walking, and I'm quite distant from home. I call the police, for whatever reason. The police show up, but I am also armed, and of course I would produce my license upon request. Are they going to ask me to put my gun away even though it's in a holster? If not, why would that be any different than if I'm on my property?Wow, some bravado going on. I don't have the statue handy but we were taught in most of our academies that in Texas, we as Officers (investigating criminal activity/ongoing investigation) do have the right to "disarm" anyone who we deem "may" be a threat to our safety or to the public safety. (I realize that raises a lot of temperatures but I have seen the statue, just won't come to mind right now, sorry).
Normally a lot of what transpires between Officer's and the public we serve falls under "Officer discretion" in how we apply the laws, which sometimes upset the people we serve.Most of the time when I would make contact with someone, I really have no idea who they are or their character/attitudes/mental state. It doesn't mean I believe you to be a criminal, but I simply don't know you. How many Officer assassinations have we all heard of in the media over the past few years?
With the current "mental health crisis" I simply don't know your mental status or attitudes. Given a few minutes to speak with you in person makes a lot of difference in gaining trust and evaluating our interaction. If that seems unreasonable to the public then I'm sorry, but I also have the right to go home to my family at the end of my shift. (contrary to some's belief that we get paid to take that risk, and until I determine that you are trustworthy, I would sometimes ask persons to put their weapon elsewhere for all our safety so I can focus on the issue I am there to help with, hopefully). Until I can satisfy myself and my partner that you are not someone who intends to ambush me, I consider it to be an "exigent circumstance" and do have some latitude as to how I handle it. As long as you keep your weapon in your holster and are not making furtive movements towards that weapon, we generally aren't going to have an issue. That doesn't mean that every Officer will feel the same, people are people with differences in temperament/tolerances.
I do use a level II retention ("rotary adjustable" cant) poly holster: But mine is made by Cytac --- IMI Defense, Blackhawk/Sherpa don't make a holster for a TT-33 Tokarev! ;-)
-- BR
Just how "special" of a person does one have to be in order to be up to carrying openly? This is not a rhetorical question, I really would appreciate an answer because I simply do not at all understand why someone has to be "special" to open carry and how most people (at least gun owners who carry regularly) would not be "up to it".
I DID consider the CZ52 way back when, but decided the TT-33 is actually better-suited to me, and TMK, it's more robust/stronger than a CZ52. And maybe even more concealable (which I have to do in some stores) than a CZ52 as a TT-33 is so flat/thin, and the grip is shorter. And the gun has kind of "melted" design to it so it's smooth -- no sharp edges to be uncomfortable/poke you (EXCEPT for the rear sight!). I have 3 Tokarevs (2 Romanian and 1 Polish)...the Polish is my EDC/OC gun, but not because it's "better" than my 2 Romanians (I used one of them to get my TX LTC), but because the slide serrations are authentic to the original Russian TT-33. AND the larger serrations the Polish gun has will make the slide easier to rack (the Romanians have thinner "modern" serrations) should I have gloves on...even if not in Siberia but in Colorado -- in the still-very-cold Winters there. :-)You might have to upgrade to a CZ 52.
So you will not answer my question and as an apparent excuse for not answering it say you find most folks who carry concealed are the most vocal, and as you say even hostile, toward those who open carry. Also, instead of answering the simple question I asked - you ask me one in place of giving an answer and give the off the wall excuse of essentially not wanting to start an argument after you said that those who open carry are "special"! I find that all rather comically and sadly amazing.Any explanation would probably just lead to an unpleasant exchange, as I found CCers to be OCers most vocal (and even hostile, IME) critics and arguing is futile. However, I DO talk about this when I am speaking to someone face-to-face (and I meet people often being an OCer), partly because it's easier to speak vs. writing a lot of text.
But if you personally do NOT OC -- as I'm guessing you don't -- then why not? THAT may answer your own question.
-- BR
So you will not answer my question..."
And here I thought it was my it was my menacing looks.I OC any time I fuel up.
Gas stations are the places I've most been given a strangers hard luck story while I stand there rooted in the spot for the moment while fueling up.
Since I started OCing while fueling this annoyance has become a thing of the past.
Kar98, I am not familiar with the "IMI" holsters but I do like the Safariland ALS" holsters for retention.