Private Handgun Sale

[Mike_from_Texas]

Because the law requires it. I can sell you my lawnmower with just cash but not my gun. Are you a law abiding citizen if you don't use reasonable efforts to make sure that you are legally selling a gun? Could you convince a jury if you don't even look at a drivers license and you sell to someone that commits a crime. Good luck with that.
Let's agree that we don't agree on this. I don't sell guns, ever, but if I did I would probably be a bit more conservative about who I sold to. "They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" to me doesn't quite meet the legal requirements of selling a gun in Texas.

The law is ambiguous for a reason. What does the law define as “reasonably believe”?


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[Charlie]

Because the law requires it. I can sell you my lawnmower with just cash but not my gun. Are you a law abiding citizen if you don't use reasonable efforts to make sure that you are legally selling a gun? Could you convince a jury if you don't even look at a drivers license and you sell to someone that commits a crime. Good luck with that.
Let's agree that we don't agree on this. I don't sell guns, ever, but if I did I would probably be a bit more conservative about who I sold to. "They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" to me doesn't quite meet the legal requirements of selling a gun in Texas.

I respect your right to have your opinion, but I believe you are wrong. A sale may be a touchy thing, it may cause nervousness, but if we're talking only abiding by the law and not requiring any more than the law requires, it's really simple.

 

[Charlie]

I'm not selling any more guns in my lifetime so I'm not worried about doing business with people.

 

[SQLGeek]

 

[DoubleDuty]

simple exchange the gun for green and have a nice day.

 

[Wiliamr]

It is purty darn simple here in Texas. You get a Bill of Sale for selling livestock, car, motorcycle and such that must be registered for licensing. You can even get a bill of sale for your wife if you can pull that off. For your gun, not necessary.

 

[Shady]

Ok so what part of money gun walk separate ways does not meet the legal requirements ?

Now now keep feelings out of it.
I dont have to convince a jury of anything they have to prove I knew.

Because the law requires it. I can sell you my lawnmower with just cash but not my gun. Are you a law abiding citizen if you don't use reasonable efforts to make sure that you are legally selling a gun? Could you convince a jury if you don't even look at a drivers license and you sell to someone that commits a crime. Good luck with that.
Let's agree that we don't agree on this. I don't sell guns, ever, but if I did I would probably be a bit more conservative about who I sold to. "They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" to me doesn't quite meet the legal requirements of selling a gun in Texas.

 

[oldag]

Because the law requires it. I can sell you my lawnmower with just cash but not my gun. Are you a law abiding citizen if you don't use reasonable efforts to make sure that you are legally selling a gun? Could you convince a jury if you don't even look at a drivers license and you sell to someone that commits a crime. Good luck with that.
Let's agree that we don't agree on this. I don't sell guns, ever, but if I did I would probably be a bit more conservative about who I sold to. "They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" to me doesn't quite meet the legal requirements of selling a gun in Texas.

Care to quote that law?

 

[Renegade]

Because the law requires it. I can sell you my lawnmower with just cash but not my gun.

Huh?

Of course you can sell a gun for cash.

Are you a law abiding citizen if you don't use reasonable efforts to make sure that you are legally selling a gun?

You are a law abiding citizen if you comply with the law.

The law is simple, you cannot knowingly sell to a prohibited person. You are not required to do a BG check. So as long as you have no reason person is prohibited, you are GTG. There is no need to check ID, or any of that nonsense.

 

[Hoji]

I am 10 IQ points lower for reading some of the retardation in this thread.

 

[rotor]

Care to quote that law?

Texas 46.13 to start.

 

[oldag]

Texas 46.13 to start.

Sec. 46.13. MAKING A FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO A CHILD.

Has nothing to do with selling a gun, as is obvious to anyone who has read it.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Sec. 46.13. MAKING A FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO A CHILD.

Has nothing to do with selling a gun, as is obvious to anyone who has read it.

Well, don't sell it to a child, duh....

 

[Hoji]

Texas 46.13 to start.

11 points lower. Just stop it.

 

[rotor]

Huh?

Of course you can sell a gun for cash.



You are a law abiding citizen if you comply with the law.

The law is simple, you cannot knowingly sell to a prohibited person. You are not required to do a BG check. So as long as you have no reason person is prohibited, you are GTG. There is no need to check ID, or any of that nonsense.

"They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" does not seem sufficient to me to have complied with the law. You may think it's enough. That's your opinion. We can argue it all day. The original poster can decide for himself how to sell a gun. He can take any opinion that he wants.

 

[Frank59]

I am 10 IQ points lower for reading some of the retardation in this thread.

LMAO.....

 

[Vaquero]

Well shit.
They got renegade cranked up again.

 

[Renegade]

Texas 46.13 to start.

46.13 requires the firearm to be loaded with ammunition. The person has to be 16 or less. It also cannot be secured. It is also require criminal negligence, so 46.13 is a non starter.

Sec. 46.13. MAKING A FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO A CHILD. (a) In this section:

(1) "Child" means a person younger than 17 years of age.

(2) "Readily dischargeable firearm" means a firearm that is loaded with ammunition, whether or not a round is in the chamber.

(3) "Secure" means to take steps that a reasonable person would take to prevent the access to a readily dischargeable firearm by a child, including but not limited to placing a firearm in a locked container or temporarily rendering the firearm inoperable by a trigger lock or other means.

(b) A person commits an offense if a child gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm and the person with criminal negligence:

 

[Renegade]

"They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" does not seem sufficient to me to have complied with the law. You may think it's enough. That's your opinion. We can argue it all day. The original poster can decide for himself how to sell a gun. He can take any opinion that he wants.

We have been doing it that way in Texas for hundreds of years. Perhaps you have never read what the law requires.

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The fact you cite 46.13 as applicable to a sale pretty much shows you are not aware of the relevant laws, no worries, we are here to help.

 

[General Zod]

"They show me the money I show them the gun we both walk away" does not seem sufficient to me to have complied with the law.

And yet it is. No matter how much you disagree, it's what the law says. As long as you don't "reasonably believe" the buyer to be a prohibited person, you're good to go. Sorry if you really, really want more legal restrictions, we don't have them. Your personal beliefs don't change the legal requirements.