Should the police be defunded/dismantled

[toddnjoyce]

I disagree. I see the shut down of the police resulting in many more soft targets (AKA, the under 29 everythiung is good crowd) being hit with petty theft, or theft of whatever they have on them or can get with their apps.

The folks opposing this mostly haven't needed the police to help them. Get rid of the cops, and they'll find themselves in more and more situations where they wish they could call the cops. Seatle's CHAZ couldn't even stop the crimes and "wealth redistribution"

Imagine that on a large scale that you can't escape a few blocks away to call 911 like they've been doing up there.

I don’t disagree, but show me any major city that focuses on identifying and charging a suspect for the crime the average citizen encounters.

Like it or not, this is a result of policing to measures and metrics and volume.

The seven major crimes tallied by DOJ is where resources are focused. Outside of that it’s revenue enforcement, especially DUIs and other high volume complaints. This is how budgets are justified to city CFOs when in actuality the largest portion of city public service (PD or FF/EMS) is G&A cost directly related to headcount...pay and benefits contractually required regardless of outcomes.

 

[jrbfishn]

I was trained in management at Dairy Queen, while still in high school, by a retired First Sergeant. He explained it this way.
If he had substandard soldiers, it was because he himself was substandard. He was because the officers above him allowed him to be substandard.
Using the rule of downward flow, military, management or police does not matter. If you have shit at the bottom, it is because all you have at the top is shit. You can not clean up the shit at the bottom until you eliminate it from the top.

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[Dinoble1]

^^^^^^^ Shit flows downhill more ways than one


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[oldag]

I suspect that all this hot air about defunding and disbanding will fade away with time.

Oh, the libs may divert some funding for a bit. But it will come back.

 

[oldag]

Can you say "Karma"?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

Dem state senator does his photo op with protestors (who toppled a couple of statues). Thinks he is helping his reelection and getting his 15 minutes of fame. After the photo, the protestors beat the crap out him.

 

[easy rider]

Can you say "Karma"?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

Dem state senator does his photo op with protestors (who toppled a couple of statues). Thinks he is helping his reelection and getting his 15 minutes of fame. After the photo, the protestors beat the crap out him.

Must have been a peaceful beating.

 

[Renegade]

No need for police that do not enforce the law. They seem to do nothing to stop our monuments from being destroyed, from folks getting beat up at protests,, stores looted, firebombed.

The police doing nothing disgusts me more than the perpetrators destroying stuff.

 

[Renegade]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

In the end I may have gotten my ass kicked, but you would have needed a surgical team to remove my fist from going down the throat of that first person to charge and attack him.

 

[oldag]

Can you say "Karma"?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

Dem state senator does his photo op with protestors (who toppled a couple of statues). Thinks he is helping his reelection and getting his 15 minutes of fame. After the photo, the protestors beat the crap out him.

Update.

News story has changed. He was not doing a photo op, but was recording some protestors.

Still pretty much karma, though.

 

[TheDan]

No need for police that do not enforce the law. They seem to do nothing to stop our monuments from being destroyed, from folks getting beat up at protests,, stores looted, firebombed.

yep

 

[seeker_two]

Can you say "Karma"?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

Dem state senator does his photo op with protestors (who toppled a couple of statues). Thinks he is helping his reelection and getting his 15 minutes of fame. After the photo, the protestors beat the crap out him.

This needs to happen a lot more often.....

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[Ioannes]

Does this loss of trust stem from police behavior inherent in a force that's constantly restrained, second guessed and thrown under the bus by their Democrat mayors and city councils?

Being a city cop is a terrible job but they usually have a decent pension if they can put up with all the B.S. for 30 years (28 years and then do a lot of overtime and get placed on disability the last year)

Seeing city police allowing looting and rioting while cracking down on people not wanting to wear masks, and knowing they'd arrest any Americans trying to prevent the destruction of city property makes it plain to see that they are loyal to that pension they earned and that's it.

They are between a rock and a hard place and I don't blame them. They shouldn't blame me for not trusting them one bit, however.

County Sheriffs on the other hand, I trust more, although seeing that shameful Ector County crackdown on that bar that was open during lockdown has eroded my confidence in Sheriff's ability to represent the people as well.

 

[Southpaw]

Can you say "Karma"?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/proteste...te-senator-in-chaotic-night-at-capitol-report

Dem state senator does his photo op with protestors (who toppled a couple of statues). Thinks he is helping his reelection and getting his 15 minutes of fame. After the photo, the protestors beat the crap out him.

“I don’t know what happened,” “All I did was stop and take a picture and the next thing I’m getting five-six punches, getting kicked in the head.”

 

[etmo]

Does this loss of trust stem from police behavior inherent in a force that's constantly restrained, second guessed and thrown under the bus by their Democrat mayors and city councils?

I think it's because most people are brainwashed by the media. The MSM is only going to present a cop story when the cops did something wrong. The 10 billion times per day when the police get it right, you hear nothing. So most people don't have the mental awareness to realize they've been biased against the police by this one-sided portrayal of the police by the MSM.

Seeing city police allowing looting and rioting while cracking down on people not wanting to wear masks, and knowing they'd arrest any Americans trying to prevent the destruction of city property makes it plain to see that they are loyal to that pension they earned and that's it.

I see it another way. The police aren't "allowing" looting, the politicians are allowing the looting. The politicians need to back the police and show their support for law and order. Instead, we see the politicians kow-towing to BLM thugs at every turn in order to pander to the black and progressive vote.

Police need to go home at the end of the day, and put food on the table for their families. If they raise a finger against some black rioter, they'll be fired from their job and branded as a racist, then used as a sacrifice by some scumbag politician trying to score points. Anyone with a brain can see that's a non-starter.

So imho blaming the police for "allowing looting" is like blaming your lungs for catching covid. If the politicians were furious at the looters, and condemning them at every turn instead of allowing them to create tiny autonomous zones, we'd see entirely different behavior from the police.

And if you really want the root cause, look at who elects the politicians. Idiot progressives elect idiot progressive politicians, who just want to be re-elected to their cushy job, so if the idiots who elect them want to watch their own city burn, the politicians certainly aren't going to make a peep against them -- a politician is not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[Charlie]

The "media" (and the internet) continue to keep all the issues expanding for one reason, money. The media will print anything, true or not, if it will benefit .......... The Media and their bottom line!!!

 

[oldag]

I think it's because most people are brainwashed by the media. The MSM is only going to present a cop story when the cops did something wrong. The 10 billion times per day when the police get it right, you hear nothing. So most people don't have the mental awareness to realize they've been biased against the police by this one-sided portrayal of the police by the MSM.



I see it another way. The police aren't "allowing" looting, the politicians are allowing the looting. The politicians need to back the police and show their support for law and order. Instead, we see the politicians kow-towing to BLM thugs at every turn in order to pander to the black and progressive vote.

Police need to go home at the end of the day, and put food on the table for their families. If they raise a finger against some black rioter, they'll be fired from their job and branded as a racist, then used as a sacrifice by some scumbag politician trying to score points. Anyone with a brain can see that's a non-starter.

So imho blaming the police for "allowing looting" is like blaming your lungs for catching covid. If the politicians were furious at the looters, and condemning them at every turn instead of allowing them to create tiny autonomous zones, we'd see entirely different behavior from the police.

And if you really want the root cause, look at who elects the politicians. Idiot progressives elect idiot progressive politicians, who just want to be re-elected to their cushy job, so if the idiots who elect them want to watch their own city burn, the politicians certainly aren't going to make a peep against them -- a politician is not going to bite the hand that feeds them.

Some good thought there.

 

[easy rider]

No need for police that do not enforce the law. They seem to do nothing to stop our monuments from being destroyed, from folks getting beat up at protests,, stores looted, firebombed.

The police doing nothing disgusts me more than the perpetrators destroying stuff.

I can't speak for all police in every city, but I have noticed that it's often the city officials that make the decisions on what the police can or cannot do during riots. Many police are quitting because of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" attitude.

 

[Charlie]

"The internet, the media, and politics", are the most damaging things that have ever happened to the United States!

 

[F350-6]

No need for police that do not enforce the law. They seem to do nothing to stop our monuments from being destroyed, from folks getting beat up at protests,, stores looted, firebombed.

The police doing nothing disgusts me more than the perpetrators destroying stuff.

I think it's the DA's who have set the tone. Tell me exaclty how one in uniform stops a black looter, firebomber, perp, etc. from doing anything if they choose to resist and not end up being charged/fired/reprimanded for excessive force, etc.?

If the cops were to do what it took to enforce the law, they would likely have charges filed against them.

Besides that, they're outnumbered. Regular bullets aren't an option. Rubber bullets and CS are getting restricted. Chokeholds are out. Kneeling on a suspect after he resisted arrest is out. Not to mention the old, stop or I'll shoot that went out so long ago. Options are limited when everyone wants to resist.

 

[seeker_two]

I hope they've thought through what happens when the police are out of the picture.....

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