She laughed and said "of course an owner or manager can give their agent control of the property and they could carry"
No one has ever said otherwise. Not sure why you had to ask her since we are all in agreement on that.
She laughed and said "of course an owner or manager can give their agent control of the property and they could carry"
Have you looked in the mirror at the guy doing it?No, it isn't know as permission. Jesus, some of you guys just double down when mistaken.
I asked her, not for my information, but for the authority of her title, so thick headed cro-mags like some here would understand PERMISSION to carry is a real thing.No one has ever said otherwise. Not sure why you had to ask her since we are all in agreement on that.
Permission to carry is simply joint control of a property. Law, logic and practice are in agreement here.
I get hard when talking to you, now get your hand off my lap.Not sure why this is so hard.
How did you know I get hard when talking to you?
The only thing I'm confused about is who is driving the vehicle, who owns the vehicle, and who owns the gun. I am one who purchased the gun from a local gun store. I will however be the passenger, someone else is driving their vehicle (which I cannot legally drive) and they did not purchase the gun, but they can legally own a firearm just like me. Does the driver have to be the one that bought the gun, or does it matter in this situation?
Don't change the subject.Interesting that this thread has gotten so far off track, IMHO. OP asked a question and we gave (IMHO) ill fitted answers.
Assuming:
1) he lives in apt where he is concerned about theft. Wrong side of town, with others?
2) travelling with others in their vehicle.
Lets assume he a student living with others in Lubbock on the way to Galveston on spring break.
I say leave it at 'home', hidden as best, not under the mattress.
Without LTC how do you get into the hotel/motel and where do you hide it there?
Leave it in the car? Keep in luggage?
What you say now?
Welcome to TGT.Short answer: It makes no difference who owns the gun. What matters is who owns the car or is in control of the car that the gun is in. The owner/driver of the car is the one who will be held responsible.
Long Answer: Renegade is correct on the law. The statute at issue Texas Penal Code 46.02 Section (a-1) is the relevant section in this situtation.
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view, unless the person is licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and the handgun is carried in a shoulder or belt holster; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
So, you legally you have two options. Keep the gun out of "plain sight," i.e in the glovebox or trunk, or carry it openly in a shoulder or belt holster.
As a practical matter, keep it in the glove box. If you want to put a couple of loaded magazines in the glove box with it, that's fine. If stopped, be respectful, keep your hands where the officer can see them, and tell him or her you have a handgun in the car if asked. If it's at night, turning on the overhead light in the car will help put the officer at ease.
Uncle Jed
Now you are not accurately representing what you just reported that you asked and she answered. As Reagan said, "there you go again"I asked her, not for my information, but for the authority of her title, so thick headed cro-mags like some here would understand PERMISSION to carry is a real thing.
Permission to carry is simply joint control of a property. Law, logic and practice are in agreement here.
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Short answer: It makes no difference who owns the gun. What matters is who owns the car or is in control of the car that the gun is in. The owner/driver of the car is the one who will be held responsible.
Long Answer: Renegade is correct on the law. The statute at issue Texas Penal Code 46.02 Section (a-1) is the relevant section in this situtation.
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view, unless the person is licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and the handgun is carried in a shoulder or belt holster; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
So, you legally you have two options. Keep the gun out of "plain sight," i.e in the glovebox or trunk, or carry it openly in a shoulder or belt holster.
As a practical matter, keep it in the glove box. If you want to put a couple of loaded magazines in the glove box with it, that's fine. If stopped, be respectful, keep your hands where the officer can see them, and tell him or her you have a handgun in the car if asked. If it's at night, turning on the overhead light in the car will help put the officer at ease.
Uncle Jed
Let me try again, because maybe cro-mag was a generous assessment...Now you are not accurately representing what you just reported that you asked and she answered. As Reagan said, "there you go again"
Being a jack ass doesn't make you or the imaginary lawyer any less wrong.Let me try again, because maybe cro-mag was a generous assessment...
Me ask law person if can carry boom-boom in other person cave. She say ok if other cave man say ok. Me not ask because me not know. Me ask because you no believe me.
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So you would have arrested someone for UCW if they were carrying in a scenario as we have been discussing?Being a jack ass doesn't make you or the imaginary lawyer any less wrong.
So you would have arrested someone for UCW if they were carrying in a scenario as we have been discussing?
Remember CCP and your duty to act...
To my knowledge there are no cases where some one was arrested, prosecuted and convicted for UCW when they had permission (i.e. control of the property).
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A simple YES or NO would have worked, but let's look at the facts: you believe (how ever wrongly) it would an illegal act to carry with permission, without an LTC. You have a duty to arrest for violations that occur in your presence and to keep the peace. It should be safe to beleive you would ARREST a person for UCW even though they had permission (and by extension, control of the property).If you read my posts I already answered your first question, but having little or no chance of getting arrested doesn't make it lawful.
Are you aware of the criminal cases in all 254 counties in Texas; otherwise, I don't see how you not knowing something has any relevance to the law. Review the 2020 DPS conviction report, there are many firearm related offense for which there were no convictions, does that mean those laws don't exist?