First Watch Restaurants

[toddnjoyce]

Probably a good idea to ask your lawyer if they would be comfortable arguing that you're engaged in weather-spotting while indoors eating an omelet. Sounds like one of those cases where it all boils down to how confident your lawyer is.

...but whatever. Concealed is concealed

@ScottDLS covered it effectively.

The 46.15 non-applicability is for both 46.02 UCW and 46.03 Prohibited Places, which now makes the .15 element if being engaged in providing emergency services more understandable for me.

For example let’s say I’m a volunteer and responding to a polling place that’s been demolished by a tornado. I don’t have to disarm in order to enter the polling place to rescue people.

 

[Sasquatch]

tnj,

Yikes, guess there's no F-150 in my future...and thank you for the response.

If security is a driving concern - I would avoid Ford and Chrysler products equally. I used to break into cars professionally - Fords in general are the easiest vehicles to break into. Rangers, F-series pickups, any of their vehicles that use pop-up locks are easy-peasy. A slim jim is all you need, you don't need any special tools.

Most chrysler products are likewise easy, some actually easier. The PT Cruiser, for example, doesn't even require any hook or catch on the tool to pull the lock plunger up - literally a bent piece of steel will slide under that lock and push it up. 5 seconds is all it took to break into those pieces of shit.

On the flip side - the Japanese vehicles tended to be harder to break into, either because of auto-relock features, more secure boxes around the lock mechanism, or the design of the door. A lot of them disabled the interior lock button functionality when the vehicle was locked, so you couldn't just push the unlock button with a long reach tool, and would require one of the specialized door tools to open. Certain model year Honda Accords, for example, are a royal pain in the ass to unlock. Others aren't.

Chevies typically required the long reach tools, which just take a little more time than attacking the lock via the window slot like the tool in the video above, or a slim jim.

Honestly the most difficult damn vehicle to unlock was the Jeep Wrangler, thanks to the very square profile of the door and door frame, which made it very hard to wedge open and slip the reach tool in, and the slim jim wasn't as useful on those locks either, for whatever reason. I usually passed off Wranglers to actual locksmiths for unlock requests.

Very few cars are downright difficult to break into, and there's always the window smash option anyway - unless you upgrade to lexan windows or something. Making your vehicle look like its not worth breaking into is a better deterrant, or leaving some minor valuable out for those quick in-and-out burglaries like leaving a few bucks in change in the cup holder.

I've have my vehicle broken into three times in the past - two GM products and a Jeep Grand Cherokee (not nearly as hard to break into as a Wrangler) - it sucks, but if a thief wants in, they'll get in. Its why I don't like leaving a gun in the car. I had an AR lower stolen (and recovered) and I lost thousands of dollars worth of fishing tackle taken from me in a couple break ins - either because I got too lazy to take the stuff out, or I was too-eager to put stuff in for an upcoming trip the next day. Was expensive lessons learned.

 

[pronstar]

Honda’s from the 80’s and 90’s are pretty easy to get into with a worn-out/shaved key

We used to drive all of our friend’s Honda’s and Acura’s around with our own word keys LOL


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[ScottDLS]

If security is a driving concern - I would avoid Ford and Chrysler products equally. I used to break into cars professionally - Fords in general are the easiest vehicles to break into. Rangers, F-series pickups, any of their vehicles that use pop-up locks are easy-peasy. A slim jim is all you need, you don't need any special tools.

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Ah I knew those expungements and pardons had to be good for something...

 

[Sasquatch]

Ah I knew those expungements and pardons had to be good for something...

Hell yeah!

 

[V-Tach]

Must be talking hard top Wranglers........

I don't even bother locking our soft top.............

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Must be talking hard top Wranglers........

I don't even bother locking our soft top.............

Wouldn't you stand to lose more if they just cut the soft top to get in?

 

[V-Tach]

Wouldn't you stand to lose more if they just cut the soft top to get in?

Yes.........

 

[TAZ]

We went to our usual First Watch yesterday and the signs have been changed. I wanted to take a pic but cell in my truck. It basically said stay the hell out if have a firearm. They never went that far before. Today we went to another of our regular restaurants and it had 2 big signs by the front door that weren't there before, and in English and Spanish. They said the same thing, as I interpreted correctly, stay the hell out if you're carrying a firearm. CC has caused this, prolly from lawyers across the state. At least with LTC there was some unspoken assurance of safety. I will not however find other places to eat when we enjoy these so much.

So what were the signs? Just random signs in English and Spanish telling you to go pound sand if you have a gun. If you have an LTC that’s meaningless drivel as the only thing you need to legally worry about is the 30.06 signs.

Personally I wouldn’t do business with folks putting up signs that bar concealed carry. I do go past the 07 signs, so I guess to a degree I’m hypocritical.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Support your local communist. Abide by their signs and vaccination requirements.
When freedom is lost , it will not return.

 

[jordanmills]

Thanks Todd.

I had asked specifically about the "being engaged" part before, and was told it was a 24/7 excuse, regardless of what one is doing.

If you're talking about what I posted previously, it is not. Assuming I understood your statement correctly.

The volunteer emergency services personnel thing has no other conditions for 30.06 and 30.07, and applies no matter what you are doing (as long as you meet the definition of volunteer emergency services personnel).

It has the condition of being "engaged in providing emergency services" in 46.15 (as a defense from all of 46.06 and 46.03). I have not made any particular comment on that condition, but I would say that it does not seem to be a 24/7 condition.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

If you're talking about what I posted previously, it is not. Assuming I understood your statement correctly.

The volunteer emergency services personnel thing has no other conditions for 30.06 and 30.07, and applies no matter what you are doing (as long as you meet the definition of volunteer emergency services personnel).

It has the condition of being "engaged in providing emergency services" in 46.15 (as a defense from all of 46.06 and 46.03). I have not made any particular comment on that condition, but I would say that it does not seem to be a 24/7 condition.

Ah, yes it was.
It seemed strange that there would be an exception, even if no help was currently being provided.

 

[jordanmills]

Ah, yes it was.
It seemed strange that there would be an exception, even if no help was currently being provided.

Someone got a bone thrown in? Now we just need to get 46.15 aligned with 30.06 and 30.07.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Someone got a bone thrown in? Now we just need to get 46.15 aligned with 30.06 and 30.07.

I’d prefer to say amend the (a) to include as defined in 46.01, then repeal the (b) from 46.15 (10)

(10) a person who is volunteer emergency services personnel if the person is:
(A) carrying a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code; and
(B) engaged in providing emergency services.

Then, remove the defense to prosecution in .06 and .07 and replace with duplicates of the 46.15 non-applicability statue as amended above.

But that’s only if I can’t repeal .06 and .07 entirely.

I’ve yet to see a .05 sign in the wild. I have seen various versions of .06, .06/07, and .07 postings that have been around, but no .05 signs yet.

 

[ScottDLS]

I’d prefer to say amend the (a) to include as defined in 46.01, then repeal the (b) from 46.15 (10)

(10) a person who is volunteer emergency services personnel if the person is:
(A) carrying a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code; and
(B) engaged in providing emergency services.

Then, remove the defense to prosecution in .06 and .07 and replace with duplicates of the 46.15 non-applicability statue as amended above.

But that’s only if I can’t repeal .06 and .07 entirely.

I’ve yet to see a .05 sign in the wild. I have seen various versions of .06, .06/07, and .07 postings that have been around, but no .05 signs yet.

Lot's of HEB's have put up the new signs to go along with their old 30.07 signs.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Lot's of HEB's have put up the new signs to go along with their old 30.07 signs.

I’ve heard. I was in the Leon Springs HEB today and specifically looked for it near where the .07 sign is on the bottom left of the entry, but like usual the cart corral and trash cans block that area.

 

[TAZ]

Lot's of HEB's have put up the new signs to go along with their old 30.07 signs.

Haven’t seen any new signs at my local HEB’s. Hope I won’t see them either.


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[Axxe55]

In the city of Palestine and Elkhart near where I live, even prior to September 1st, there were very, very few places that displayed a 30.06 sign and very few that displayed a 30.07 sign after open carry was passed.

So far, I haven't seen any changes in signage occurring just because Constitutional Carry has passed either.

I can't attest to every business establishment in either city, but just my observances of the places we normally shop or frequent.

 

[billtool]

What's wrong w/Tomball pawn?

Never heard of First Watch and rough math shows I've had >63K meals, the vast majority in greater Houston.

I have purchased numerous guns from Tomball Pawn. Never a bad experience. First watch can cram it. I’m out.

 

[Witness10]

Well I went to my local first watch the other day and when we got there around 2pm, the guy was putting the signs up. We went next door to the pizza place instead, and I snapped these pics. They have the 30.05, 30.06, and 30.07 signs. No firearms. No concealed firearms. No open carry firearms. Sad. We've been eating here for years.