If it has to do with COVID, it goes HERE!'

[Charlie]

The biggest problem I see, is that research is often funded to arrive at a pre-determined/desirable outcome.

Which is exactly not science.


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Very true!

 

[easy rider]

One of the reasons we considered anti-vaxxed as fringe 'pre pandemic', is that they weren't a danger to others. In fact, never in my life, until lately, had I heard that anyone needed to fear the unvaxxed. How good is a vaccine, that after receiving it, you are told, "now you need to fear the unvaxxed?" Aren't vaccines supposed to help protect one from transmission of an infected person? If I'm not working in a lab that keeps infectious diseases, can I contract it another way? If this 'vaccine' is so good, why the fear?

During my life we have lost freedoms we once thought couldn't happen. This push to strip our freedom of choice, is another.

 

[oldag]

One of the reasons we considered anti-vaxxed as fringe 'pre pandemic', is that they weren't a danger to others. In fact, never in my life, until lately, had I heard that anyone needed to fear the unvaxxed. How good is a vaccine, that after receiving it, you are told, "now you need to fear the unvaxxed?" Aren't vaccines supposed to help protect one from transmission of an infected person? If I'm not working in a lab that keeps infectious diseases, can I contract it another way? If this 'vaccine' is so good, why the fear?

During my life we have lost freedoms we once thought couldn't happen. This push to strip our freedom of choice, is another.

Well, when the vaccine does not actually prevent the vaccinated from contracting the virus...

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Whoa, we were advised by 'acknowledged experts' the various faux-vaxxes were in the range of 90+% effectiveness...uh-huh, sure they are.

Turns out to be a bit fat lie, but they just might kill or injure the 'jabbees'.

 

[Axxe55]

It makes no sense to me to be subjected to a vaccine that won't prevent me from getting the Covid, or keep me from giving it to others.

None at all. And then to further complicate things, that after getting it, I might develop other health and medical issues that could possibly kill me!

I'm not "Anti-Vax" but Anti-Covid Vax"!

 

[alwho421]

at some point do we realize this all has nothing to do with illness or treatments. It's all about control.

 

[Axxe55]

at some point do we realize this all has nothing to do with illness or treatments. It's all about control.

Many here realized that at the beginning.

You're kind of late to the party.

 

[easy rider]

at some point do we realize this all has nothing to do with illness or treatments. It's all about control.

Definitely! Think of it this way. What better way to gain more control than to make people believe I should have more control, and to fear those that oppose?

 

[Tnhawk]

Many here realized that at the beginning.

You're kind of late to the party.

masks, travel restrictions, public gatherings, vaccines -The primary objectives are the same- DEMOCRAT GOVERNMENT CONTROL

 

[oldag]

It makes no sense to me to be subjected to a vaccine that won't prevent me from getting the Covid, or keep me from giving it to others.

None at all. And then to further complicate things, that after getting it, I might develop other health and medical issues that could possibly kill me!

I'm not "Anti-Vax" but Anti-Covid Vax"!

You must be a racist, facist, gun loving, Bible toting deplorable.

 

[Axxe55]

You must be a racist, facist, gun loving, Bible toting deplorable.

Not a racist or a fascist, but guilty of the rest!

 

[leVieux]

The biggest problem I see, is that research is often funded to arrive at a pre-determined/desirable outcome.

Which is exactly not science.


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Un-elected bureaucrats decide many things in that area. Not a good arrangement !

 

[leVieux]

at some point do we realize this all has nothing to do with illness or treatments. It's all about control.

Yes, now it is obvious. . . . . .

 

[jrbfishn]

Yes, now it is obvious. . . . . .

Clarify please. You seem to be in conflict with yourself.
Is it all just a way for the Government to get more power and control and the vaccines don't work or do we need to vaccinate like you and every competent Dr. you know?
Both ways don't work.


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[leVieux]

Clarify please. You seem to be in conflict with yourself.
Is it all just a way for the Government to get more power and control and the vaccines don't work or do we need to vaccinate like you and every competent Dr. you know?
Both ways don't work.


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1) Vaccines, in general, are proven to work and be relatively safe; relative to not being vaccinated. They are not, and never will be, perfect.

2) These particular new COVID vaccines are of a new, less-studied type. As best as we can tell at this point, they are also relatively safe. They are not perfect, by far. Remember that just reducing the severity of an illness and lessening one's chances of dying from that disease are good.

3) As best as we can tell at this point, for elder folks and those with chronic illnesses, it is better to get vaccinated.

4) At this point, vaccination of younger healthy adults and most children should be voluntary, and no "mandate" should be applied to them.

5) Many of us doubt that the government has the authority under our Constitutional system to force anyone to get vaccinated. At this point, neither the medical circumstances nor the law support use of mandates.

6) Under some conditions, non vaccinated people should not be allowed into certain constrained conditions like submarine crews, maximum security prisons, etc.

7) Those who have recovered from DOCUMENTED "COVID", with provable antibody levels present should NOT be vaccinated for some time, perhaps somewhere b/t 6 & 18 months or so. Natural Immunity seems better than any vaccine.

8) Yes, every competent Physician I do know has accepted the vaccines, and most have had their young past teen years vaccinated.

9) We are living under massive confusing media and internet mis-information, much of which is INTENTIONAL, in effort to keep us confused and thereby weakened. For now, IMHO, politicians should stay out of this.

10) As to this part of your question: "Is it all just a way for the Government to get more power and control(?)"; no matter how the COVID arose, it is obvious that there is an almost worldwide intergovernmental CONSPIRACY trying to destroy our natural and constitutional rights, and to force us to accept some non-voluntary type of government.

11) I believe that these respiratory "flu" vaccines have become annual, predictable events originating in the area of China, and this COVID virus may have been intentionally "enhanced" by the Chinese for use as a bio-weapon. IDK whether its release was intentional or accidental.

12) It looks to me that a massive international scheme was pre-devised and simply awaiting a viral "event". The entire global scheme was too well organized & coordinated to have been spontaneous.

I hope those answer your sincere questions.

Let me add that IMHO, Barack Obama is the most EVIL man to ever be on our national political scene, and that he continues to control our government through stooges like our fraudulent President Biden.

This all must be brought to an end, one way or another, and soon !

leVieux
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[oldag]

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6) Under some conditions, non vaccinated people should not be allowed into certain constrained conditions like submarine crews, maximum security prisons, etc.


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Trying to stop the spread?

The vaccine is ineffective against Omicron and in all likelihood subsequent variants. So this does not pass the common sense test.

As far as this becoming an annual inoculation, they are already finding evidence that boosters are degrading immunity in the long term.

 

[leVieux]

We have an old saying in Medicine: "Better is the mortal enemy of good-enough!" Vaccines are never going to be perfect, but they are a major tool.

Please separate the political considerations from the biological.

Most of us are, by now, sufficiently experienced to be against "mandates" and most governmental intrusions in general.

leVieux
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[TX oddball]

Part 1 of Project Vertas expose on the FDA. Wow.

 

[Charlie]

We have an old saying in Medicine: "Better is the mortal enemy of good-enough!" Vaccines are never going to be perfect, but they are a major tool.

Please separate the political considerations from the biological.

Most of us are, by now, sufficiently experienced to be against "mandates" and most governmental intrusions in general.

leVieux
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Excellent post!

 

[oldag]

We have an old saying in Medicine: "Better is the mortal enemy of good-enough!" Vaccines are never going to be perfect, but they are a major tool.

Please separate the political considerations from the biological.

Most of us are, by now, sufficiently experienced to be against "mandates" and most governmental intrusions in general.

leVieux
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My point was specifically to the medical aspect.