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  • Grumps21

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    She’s been duped by the nonstop media telling us we all need to get it.
    We have a person in our accounting office located in one on the communist states in the North East that has bought into all the hype too. She has panic attacks now because fears catching the Covid. She is convinced she will die. I don’t know her personally outside of work related dealings, but by all accounts she appears to be fairly healthy. Not overweight, early/mid 30s. She got an exemption to work from home, and I fear she’s going to have mental issues over this for some time.
     

    leVieux

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    Trying to stop the spread?

    The vaccine is ineffective against Omicron and in all likelihood subsequent variants. So this does not pass the common sense test.

    As far as this becoming an annual inoculation, they are already finding evidence that boosters are degrading immunity in the long term.

    According to available information, the current vaccines may be LESS EFFECTIVE against the "Omicron" strain. I don't know where you got "ineffective", but I don't think that is correct.
     

    jrbfishn

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    The vaccine has not proven to stop the spread of Covi 19 or ANY variant of it. That is abundantly clear at this point. At best, it may lessen symptoms and keep you from ending up dead.
    But with a 98% survival rate with or without the vaccine, how do you prove that?

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    leVieux

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    "it may lessen symptoms and keep you from ending up dead"

    EXACTLY !

    You continue to want to argue. What is your REAL "problem" ?

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    I would say the "problem" lies in people refusing to blindly accept the narrative, and self appointed experts taking offense to their noncompliance. Well, that's a problem for the self appointed experts.

    Now I'm no statistician, but the claim the covid vax "may" prevent deaths doesn't appear to be well supported by the trend line of deaths over time:

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    Doesn't appear to have done anything to slow the spread either:
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    So if all you've got is "well it may/might/could" what do you have? Nothing. You've got nothing. You want people to believe you? Show them how something does/did work.
     

    Shuutr

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    I would say the "problem" lies in people refusing to blindly accept the narrative, and self appointed experts taking offense to their noncompliance. Well, that's a problem for the self appointed experts.

    Now I'm no statistician, but the claim the covid vax "may" prevent deaths doesn't appear to be well supported by the trend line of deaths over time:

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    Doesn't appear to have done anything to slow the spread either:
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    So if all you've got is "well it may/might/could" what do you have? Nothing. You've got nothing. You want people to believe you? Show them how something does/did work.

    That appears to be a cumulative graph. It’ll always go up.

    New variant, slope increases.

    It also does not account for the rate of testing or not testing.

    The statistic you need to show if a vaccine work: compare vaccination rate to hospitalization rate. If an area is 40% vaxxed and the admitted population is 10% vaxxed, then the vaccine kept a lot of people out of the hospital.

    Similarly compare vax rate and death rate. If the population is 60% vaxxed and the death vaxxed rate is 30% then the vaccine saved lives.

    We know some vaccines lose their effectiveness so we have to account for time. Vaccine durability over time. If the vaccinated hospitalization and vaccinated death rates return to reflect the unvaccinated rate then we know the effect is not durable. Hence boosters.

    The we get into psychosocial effects. Vaccinated people start to change their behaviors. And as a huge populations (vaxxed and unvaxxed) engage is riskier behavior (not staying distanced, distanced, bars, restaurants, Working in person) so does transmissions in the community and total deaths.

    TLDR. Your graph does not help interpret whether vaccines work.
     

    Mowingmaniac 24/7

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    "Similarly compare vax rate and death rate. If the population is 60% vaxxed and the death vaxxed rate is 30% then the vaccine saved lives."

    30% death rate...I'm not taking the gamble with those numbers, but be my guest if you find them acceptable.
     

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    I don't expect those that are sold on these 'vaccines' to ever come out and say there is no benefit to these 'vaccines'. What happened to the claims that if you get the shot you won't get COVID? What happened to the claims that the shot will stop the spread of COVID? Now it's you'll not get as sick if you get the shot. I'm not really buying that claim either.

    Would I want the plumber that says, "Okay, I didn't stop the leak, but the leak isn't as bad as it was."?
     
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    What happened to the vax 90+% effective numbers when in fact it doesn't, never has stopped c-19 or prevented it's spread?

    The bs that it lessens the bite of c-19 is another in a long list of lies about this this one time considered vax cure all.

    Get vaxxed go back to normal...utter lie.

    Masks...ineffective

    Social distancing...ineffective

    Lock Downs...ineffective

    Number of deaths due to c-19...lies

    Number of deaths caused by the vax - covered up

    Injuries caused by the vax - also covered up

    Except for the 'true believers' who do things like swear to wear masks from now on and get all the boosters they can (assuming they don't die from getting them) enjoy.
     

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    According to available information, the current vaccines may be LESS EFFECTIVE against the "Omicron" strain. I don't know where you got "ineffective", but I don't think that is correct.
    Have you seen the numbers of vaccinated people contracting Omicron? And a few months back, Britain published numbers showing the infection rate was higher for the vaccinated than the non (did not take into account those unvaccinated who may have natural immunity from prior infection, granted, but it was not even close).

    Anecdotal - yes, but everyone I know who has come down with Omicron has been vaccinated and boostered except for one toddler (who was slowed down a little for a couple of days and bounced back). I do not know anyone who is unvaccinated and has contracted it.
     

    oldag

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    That appears to be a cumulative graph. It’ll always go up.

    New variant, slope increases.

    It also does not account for the rate of testing or not testing.

    The statistic you need to show if a vaccine work: compare vaccination rate to hospitalization rate. If an area is 40% vaxxed and the admitted population is 10% vaxxed, then the vaccine kept a lot of people out of the hospital.
    Might want to check your math as well as your conclusion.

    And your assumptions do not account for those who are counted as hospitalized WITH Covid, as opposed to hospitalized BECAUSE of Covid. The CDC and hospitals are reporting the former. That seriously skews the data and makes your conclusion totally invalid.
     
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    oldag

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    What happened to the vax 90+% effective numbers when in fact it doesn't, never has stopped c-19 or prevented it's spread?

    The bs that it lessens the bite of c-19 is another in a long list of lies about this this one time considered vax cure all.

    Get vaxxed go back to normal...utter lie.

    Masks...ineffective

    Social distancing...ineffective

    Lock Downs...ineffective

    Number of deaths due to c-19...lies

    Number of deaths caused by the vax - covered up

    Injuries caused by the vax - also covered up

    Except for the 'true believers' who do things like swear to wear masks from now on and get all the boosters they can (assuming they don't die from getting them) enjoy.
    Nailed that one square on the head.
     

    jrbfishn

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    "it may lessen symptoms and keep you from ending up dead"

    EXACTLY !

    You continue to want to argue. What is your REAL "problem" ?

    leVieux
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    Listen to your arguements. They are ludicrous.
    You can't prove you are right, but you are a Doctor and therefore smarter than us and we should do what you reccomend without arguement.
    It MIGHT, MAYBE save some from death. Ok, prove it. The truth is, you can't. It is 98% survivable either way.
    What can be shown, is that the vaccines are causing more harm than they are doing good. But that is hard to quantify because those that should be doing studies on that refuse to investigate it.
    So,,,,when did the part of your oath that says "do no harm" get stricken from your oath?
    With a real vaccine, smallpox, mumps, rubella and others, there is always a chance of adverse reaction or even some deaths. But they have quantifiable health benefits.
    The Covid "vaccines" have NONE.




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