Ukraine invasion

[Younggun]

Where is NATO? Staying out of that shit to stave off WW3 for as long as possible. From yesterday's attack on the US Consul in Iraq, it seems that Iran is entering the conflict on the side of Russia - I saw something saying they'd claimed it was in retaliation against Israel and Mossad for the death of one of their generals in Syria - I call bullshit. I figured after the Syrians sent troops to Ukraine to assist Russian forces, we'd see Iran do similar - I did *not* expect Iran to start lobbing ballistic missiles at our bases in Iraq.

I still expect China to move on Taiwan, and for North Korea to start shelling Seoul by the end of the month. There seems to be a determined effort to drag us kicking and screaming into WW3 - or else we are going to roll over and play dead. It's one thing to tell Ukraine to fight their own fight - but the Iranians are bloodying our nose and there SHOULD be a response - albeit it planned, well thought out response - we should've sent a cruise missile up Raisi's ass in response with a warning that any further action on their part would result in the complete levelling of Tehran - with real follow thru when they ignore Sniffle's warning. Take a city off the fucking map and our enemies will take notice. Let the commies fight the recovering commies - and leave us the **** out of it.

I still fully believe the only way this end could be avoided would be by immediately halting any an all Russian equipment that crossed the Ukrainian border.


Trying to pretend there is an alternative will only make things that much worse when we do finally get involved.


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[benenglish]

Which book?

Ian announced on his YT channel that Headstamp Publishing was starting a crowdfunding campaign to publish "The Foreigner Group: Our War In Ukraine." It was a Swedish manuscript with lots of pictures. It would have been the first well-illustrated, fairly comprehensive look at what it's like for two modern infantries to clash in a semi-conventional war. The groups involved were essentially meeting as equals; this wasn't asymmetrical warfare at all. However, he was immediately inundated by folks pointing out that the author and his friends from Sweden had joined the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian militia.

The problem was that the author, Carolus Löfroosm, is a well-established neo-Nazi and the Azov Battallion is basically a full-blown Nazi organization. We're talking all sorts of war crimes, insignia borrowed from the Third Reich, the whole nine yards.

Of course, they were the only ones with experience fighting Russians in a modern war with comparable equipment and with a completed book telling all about it. So if you want to learn what that's like, the only people who can tell you are some really evil guys.

Ian thought he could get the manuscript translated and publish the book as a non-political story of how war between first-world equals is fought today. That would be really valuable information for everyone right now.

Unfortunately, the author is such a well-known bad guy that people raised a massive stink. Publishing the book would have been like paying Hitler to write Mein Kampf. It didn't seem to matter to any of the people howling that there might be good information in the book; the author would be making money and since the author was so evil, the book project had to die.

Ian was inundated with pushback. He posted a second video the same day trying to make the case that the book was non-political. It was intended to give people an idea what fighting a war is like when modern forces clash.

It didn't work. He still got lots and lots of pushback.

He ended the day by releasing a third video saying the book project was now dead.

These days, there are probably uncountable analysts with various intelligence outfits all over the world that would like to read that book. But they're outta luck.

ETA: I can't find a copy of video #3 from that day. Forgotten Weapons seems to want them all to just disappear. However, the first video announcement and the second video clarification have been republished by another channel. I doubt they'll stay up too long but if you're interested, they're here:

 

[RedArmy]

I thought this was interesting and backs up what I've been seeing so far. The Ruskies seem to be using the same plays as before, throw poorly trained infantry at the enemy in mass while a few skilled operators carry out surgical strikes where needed. The loss of life from this whole mess is disgusting.

"We are lucky that they are so ****#ing stupid".
Ukranian soldier on the Ruskies

 

[V-Tach]

Ian announced on his YT channel that Headstamp Publishing was starting a crowdfunding campaign to publish "The Foreigner Group: Our War In Ukraine." It was a Swedish manuscript with lots of pictures. It would have been the first well-illustrated, fairly comprehensive look at what it's like for two modern infantries to clash in a semi-conventional war. The groups involved were essentially meeting as equals; this wasn't asymmetrical warfare at all. However, he was immediately inundated by folks pointing out that the author and his friends from Sweden had joined the Azov Battalion, a Ukrainian militia.

The problem was that the author, Carolus Löfroosm, is a well-established neo-Nazi and the Azov Battallion is basically a full-blown Nazi organization. We're talking all sorts of war crimes, insignia borrowed from the Third Reich, the whole nine yards.

Of course, they were the only ones with experience fighting Russians in a modern war with comparable equipment and with a completed book telling all about it. So if you want to learn what that's like, the only people who can tell you are some really evil guys.

Ian thought he could get the manuscript translated and publish the book as a non-political story of how war between first-world equals is fought today. That would be really valuable information for everyone right now.

Unfortunately, the author is such a well-known bad guy that people raised a massive stink. Publishing the book would have been like paying Hitler to write Mein Kampf. It didn't seem to matter to any of the people howling that there might be good information in the book; the author would be making money and since the author was so evil, the book project had to die.

Ian was inundated with pushback. He posted a second video the same day trying to make the case that the book was non-political. It was intended to give people an idea what fighting a war is like when modern forces clash.

It didn't work. He still got lots and lots of pushback.

He ended the day by releasing a third video saying the book project was now dead.

These days, there are probably uncountable analysts with various intelligence outfits all over the world that would like to read that book. But they're outta luck.

ETA: I can't find a copy of video #3 from that day. Forgotten Weapons seems to want them all to just disappear. However, the first video announcement and the second video clarification have been republished by another channel. I doubt they'll stay up too long but if you're interested, they're here:

More F'n censorship......

I'll decide what I read............

 

[MTA]

Ukraine launched a missile into donetsk and killed 20 civilians

 

[candcallen]

Copied content


Grandma babushka is more operator than you.

My commentary...
So they are giving away mp5s in Ukraine but I cant afford one here.

 

[candcallen]

More copied content.......

More curiosities from the front. This one is a captured Russian 9x39 suppressed VAL, freshly taken off the corpse blurred out here. But you can still see his guts splattered on the tarmac at Boryspil Airport.

Any civilian wishing to get armed and trained can do so. The local shooting clubs that still have access to ranges are filling the need. Here we see a club instructor using a Stribog 9mm carbine.

Plenty of civilian owned AR15s keep showing up in volunteer hands.

Lots of donated and brand new gear from the U.S. and elsewhere is showing up in deliveries from the western border. This unit received all new camo smocks, helmets, body armor and Bravo Company rifles. Unclear if these rifles were bought by some government and donated or came direct from Bravo.

Ammo logistics must be a fugging nightmare, as this photo shows many an eclectic mix of weapons and calibers in the same unit.

Another example of ARs and AKs serving side by side.

Another unit outfitted with ARs rather than AKs.

Another photo of the same unit. Notice dude 2nd from left has an AR10.

 

[candcallen]

Buy stock in magpul their shit is everywhere.

 

[Sasquatch]

I imagine that's kind of what semi-organized civil unrest (nice term for the coming hot civil war) in the US is going to look like. Buncha dudes with chex mix of guns / ammo fighting together. Parts supplies, ammo commonality, all that be damned - its use what you got.

 

[leVieux]

Then there is this, from folks who actually KNOW something:

Beyond Propaganda and Brainwash: The True Causes of the Ukraine-Russia Conflict - LewRockwell

The brutal and escalating war in Ukraine undoubtedly represents the most dangerous security situation for the world since the end of WWII. The narrative that is being relentlessly pounded into our minds by the Western globalist establishment goes like this: The mad Russian leader Vladimir Putin...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[candcallen]

I'll try to fit that into my schedule.

 

[Younggun]

Then there is this, from folks who actually KNOW something:

Beyond Propaganda and Brainwash: The True Causes of the Ukraine-Russia Conflict - LewRockwell

The brutal and escalating war in Ukraine undoubtedly represents the most dangerous security situation for the world since the end of WWII. The narrative that is being relentlessly pounded into our minds by the Western globalist establishment goes like this: The mad Russian leader Vladimir Putin...

www.lewrockwell.com

This once again implies that the conflict started recently. It began in 2014.

It also assumes that there is an obvious alternative that Ukraine does nothing with the West and remains independent. Which also is highly suspect, as the independent nations that followed that path are Russian puppet states now.

To me, it appears that there is a bias in the narrative that attempts to paint the west as creating the environment primed for conflict. Aside from our role in the fall of the Soviet Union I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Ukraine was a free state to choose its path. By choosing not to align with Russia it became a target. There seems to have been a belief they could play a middle ground and remain safe but as time went on it became clear that they wouldn’t be allowed to do so by RU so they started working with the West to increase their defensive abilities, to which Russia decided counted as obviously being a threat. It’s a no win situation in Ukraine because the choice was to remain defenseless and be swallowed by RU like many others, or work with the west to build some form of defense and become a target of RU for doing so. Either way RU comes for them, but one option allows for a fight.

The true cause is that the West never actually fully supported Ukraine and still doesn’t. Always giving half measures and allowing RU to continue to take pieces without repercussion. Leading to the full scale invasion we have now.

The West’s fear of conflict has brought us to the doorstep of a larger conflict than anyone would ever want. This isn’t a mainstream narrative. It’s just the logical conclusion based on what’s been happening in the area for some time now, and what the West has allowed.


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[Younggun]

I imagine that's kind of what semi-organized civil unrest (nice term for the coming hot civil war) in the US is going to look like. Buncha dudes with chex mix of guns / ammo fighting together. Parts supplies, ammo commonality, all that be damned - its use what you got.

Yep.


For the most part it looks like everything is 5.56/.223, .308/7.62, or 7.62X39. So the logistics probably really aren’t all that bad. And if you can’t get .223 you either pick up an AK off a body, or your already a body and someone will be picking up your ammo or rifle.


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[leVieux]

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How about let's look at some BASICS of our modern World?

In our times, energy, especially internationally transferable energy (read PETROLEUM) is a weapon, and the Soros/Obama/Biden Tyrants have unilaterally disarmed us.

What is happening in Europe is NOT in the interests of the USA, Us the People, or of either of our political parties.

In a War, all "news" is PROPAGANDA !

Long-term real "EXPERTS" are mostly all telling very different stories than our media.

Yet, so many just go-along. . . . . . . . with the PROPAGANDA !

leVieux
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[pronstar]

>

How about let's look at some BASICS of our modern World?

In our times, energy, especially internationally transferable energy (read PETROLEUM) is a weapon, and the Soros/Obama/Biden Tyrants have unilaterally disarmed us.

What is happening in Europe is NOT in the interests of the USA, Us the People, or of either of our political parties.

In a War, all "news" is PROPAGANDA !

Long-term real "EXPERTS" are mostly all telling very different stories than our media.

Yet, so many just go-along. . . . . . . . with the PROPAGANDA !

leVieux
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Agreed.

I especially like some of the “nuclear option” sanctions that have been imposed, like kicking (only a few) Russian banks off the SWIFT system.

They’re a mere inconvenience at best.


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[Younggun]

Agreed.

I especially like some of the “nuclear option” sanctions that have been imposed, like kicking (only a few) Russian banks off the SWIFT system.

They’re a mere inconvenience at best.


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Because we have no balls.

People forget that resources matter. And our government is trying to pretend to support Ukraine while also trying to pretend we aren’t involved. So we are half involved which will lead to worse issues as a result. IMO.


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[Younggun]

>

How about let's look at some BASICS of our modern World?

In our times, energy, especially internationally transferable energy (read PETROLEUM) is a weapon, and the Soros/Obama/Biden Tyrants have unilaterally disarmed us.

What is happening in Europe is NOT in the interests of the USA, Us the People, or of either of our political parties.

In a War, all "news" is PROPAGANDA !

Long-term real "EXPERTS" are mostly all telling very different stories than our media.

Yet, so many just go-along. . . . . . . . with the PROPAGANDA !

leVieux
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It’s not just energy. It’s the reliance on certain resources for sustaining 1st world living conditions.

While I agree there is plenty of propaganda, it doesn’t negate the issues we are creating, or allowing to be created, by allowing Ukraine to be overrun and losing access to those resources.

The “experts” are predicting the obvious. The failure is in our failure to act. No due to humanitarian reasons, but in the interest of our own current and future national security and ability to maintain certain standards of living.

Ukraine may be a nobody nation, but it is the location of some extremely important resources. It’s more than geography at stake.


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[gll]

Then there is this, from folks who actually KNOW something:

Beyond Propaganda and Brainwash: The True Causes of the Ukraine-Russia Conflict - LewRockwell

The brutal and escalating war in Ukraine undoubtedly represents the most dangerous security situation for the world since the end of WWII. The narrative that is being relentlessly pounded into our minds by the Western globalist establishment goes like this: The mad Russian leader Vladimir Putin...

www.lewrockwell.com

I would hope that members would actually watch these videos, rather than rely on other member's commentary on them... The videos from 2015 are extraordinarily prescient and mesh well with the contemporary Oliver (not Roger) Stone 'Ukraine on Fire' documentary.

The third video, being current 2 days ago, gives a very good explanation of motivations for this current conflict.

Thank you for your post!

 

[gll]

It’s not just energy. It’s the reliance on certain resources for sustaining 1st world living conditions.

While I agree there is plenty of propaganda, it doesn’t negate the issues we are creating, or allowing to be created, by allowing Ukraine to be overrun and losing access to those resources.

The “experts” are predicting the obvious. The failure is in our failure to act. No due to humanitarian reasons, but in the interest of our own current and future national security and ability to maintain certain standards of living.

Ukraine may be a nobody nation, but it is the location of some extremely important resources. It’s more than geography at stake.


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Those resources are equally, or even more, important to the Russians... Let's fight over them...

 

[Younggun]

Those resources are equally, or even more, important to the Russians... Let's fight over them...

That’s the cause for a very large percentage of conflicts.


Personally, I’d rather have them than allow Russia to control them. Especially as they relate to what happens concerning Taiwan.


It’s the only real factor for me at this point. We need access to those resources and Russia controlling them puts that access in extreme jeopardy. Wish the world was a nicer place and it didn’t matter. But I think it does and we will extremely weak and easily coerced without it.


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