Engineers can drive a train.
Except when they are.Engineers are never wrong.
Heyyyyyyyy Heyyyyyyyy dats profilin95% of population should go on a diet.
Oh holy crap dude. Everyone's experience is limited in scope. Just because someone has not done something, or not earned a college degree for, does not mean they lack the capacity. Folks could absolutely learn how to do all of those things, completely outside of an institution of higher learning, and probably have fun doing it. College is not the only place to gain education and experience, to think so is ignorance. I'm not sure why you've got such a hangup about it, but the fact is people can be, and maybe more frequently than you'd believe, are capable of amazing things without college. A 17 year old kid in Michigan built a working nuclear reactor in his shed.Your experience is apparently limited in scope. I have had the fortune/misfortune of working in a number of industries. Not just CS.
Since you don't think an engineering degree is required, can you design a 20 story building for Houston? Can you specify the material to use for a storage tank holding steam turbine condensate? Or for a product stream containing hydrogen cyanide? How about designing a transistor? Can you specify the bolt size, material and heat treat for the bolts holding a wind turbine blade to the hub? Designed a jet engine recently?
Your generalization is simply not valid.
lol .. QFTEngineers are never wrong.
This is why I don't really think software 'engineering' belongs in the same circles as ME/CE/EE. To me, software tips the scale more towards art than engineering. Some try to speak of software development as a set of instructions, and if you're doing assembly maybe. But high level languages? There's a whole lot of ways to say the same thing.In general, I'd agree with that statement. I'm the Director of Engineering at my company, I've worked with some of the best degree-less software and electrical engineers you can imagine for 35 years. I don't give a damn if you've got a degree or not - I want you to be able to design stuff artfully. What makes these guys exceptional, is that they had the smarts, and the drive to learn the knowledge without going to college. That drive and inquisitiveness made them exceptional engineers.
That being said, they are the exception, not the rule. Most engineers (ME, EE, CE) gain a lot of knowledge in college that they probably wouldn't have had the drive to acquire otherwise - I put myself firmly in that category.
I think to some extent, software engineers are fringe to this. I've written a lot of code, and some of the structure of the code of our degreed software engineers makes me cringe.
But they are frequently mistaken!Engineers are never wrong.
I never said college was the only place. Quite the opposite. Why don't you read what was posted for a change?Oh holy crap dude. Everyone's experience is limited in scope. Just because someone has not done something, or not earned a college degree for, does not mean they lack the capacity. Folks could absolutely learn how to do all of those things, completely outside of an institution of higher learning, and probably have fun doing it. College is not the only place to gain education and experience, to think so is ignorance. I'm not sure why you've got such a hangup about it, but the fact is people can be, and maybe more frequently than you'd believe, are capable of amazing things without college. A 17 year old kid in Michigan built a working nuclear reactor in his shed.
Not all college grads. Some actually learn a few things. My eldest niece graduated with honors at the top of her class at Texas A&M this year. She's planning on becoming a veterinarian.Just look at "college grads," as a whole, you have to go to school for 4 years, to get that stupid!
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Personally, I think that public schools should stick with these basics and leave out the other crap they are trying or wanting to teach.A HS education should teach the ability for a student to function as a citizen.
English, math, science, history and civics.
Not all college grads. Some actually learn a few things. My eldest niece graduated with honors at the top of her class at Texas A&M this year. She's planning on becoming a veterinarian.
My younger niece is planning on attending law school when she graduates in two years from Texas UT.
Tougher to get into vet school than med school.Not all college grads. Some actually learn a few things. My eldest niece graduated with honors at the top of her class at Texas A&M this year. She's planning on becoming a veterinarian.
My younger niece is planning on attending law school when she graduates in two years from Texas UT.