House passes gun control bill

[etmo]

The jaded realist in me says let the Senate pass a bill, it’s going to die in the House as the House bill has done in the Senate.

I hope you're right because NBC (I'll never repost a link of theirs, screw them) is reporting the deal is done in the Senate, and the text is now being finalized. We'll see.

 

[oldag]

The jaded realist in me says let the Senate pass a bill, it’s going to die in the House as the House bill has done in the Senate.

Hope so.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I hope you're right because NBC (I'll never repost a link of theirs, screw them) is reporting the deal is done in the Senate, and the text is now being finalized. We'll see.

WSJ is as well. The only thing I can’t figure out is if this is getting by under reconciliation rules or not since there’s many billions of dollars in fed funds that will go to states with ERPO laws or contingent on states passing ERPO laws on top of the mental health dollars, too.

I think once everybody figured out they could get something under gun control could be done AND hand out shittons of money, then it was a matter of time.

 

[etmo]

First I've seen so far:

 

[etmo]

Looks like Byrne grants for the ERPO laws, tossing it under the Omnibus Crime Act

 

[oldag]

One problem with the bill, regarding who must have an FFL

Defining Engaged in the Business
...by striking ‘‘with the principal objective of livelihood and profit’’ and inserting ‘‘to predominantly earn a profit’’...

The term ‘to predominantly earn a profit’ means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:

This is extremely vague and could be warped to catch anyone.

Then there is the red flag issue.

 

[etmo]

One problem with the bill, regarding who must have an FFL

Defining Engaged in the Business
...by striking ‘‘with the principal objective of livelihood and profit’’ and inserting ‘‘to predominantly earn a profit’’...

It's potentially a big problem, yes
OTOH, if you sell 100 guns a day for exactly what you paid for them, then you have earned 0 profit, so you are totally exempt from the law.

I think the average gun owner doesn't sell their glock 17 for more than they paid, especially in adjusted dollars.

But "predominantly" is an easy out. All you have to do is say you sold the gun for a profit, yes, but the price was in keeping with market value, and the main reason you sold it was because the gun was giving you blisters, and now that you have sold it you can shoot without physical discomfort. At that point, the predominant reason for the sale isn't profit, it's comfort.

The govt bears the burden of proof, not you.

 

[toddnjoyce]

…
The govt bears the burden of proof, not you.

But .gov has unlimited funds to chase that rabbit. See Three Felonies A Day.

 

[oldag]

The govt bears the burden of proof, not you.

You're new at this aren't you.

 

[etmo]

But .gov has unlimited funds to chase that rabbit. See Three Felonies A Day.

You're new at this aren't you.

If governmental abuse/overreach are your primary concerns, then this law doesn't change a thing from your perspective. The gov can make up all kinds of BS and falsely prosecute you for years right this very minute, without this bill ever getting out of the Senate.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

This communist government is not your friend.

 

[wiredgeorge]

Really hurts to see a Texas Republican (RINO) Senator join those in the Senate who caved:

• Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
• Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
• Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)
• Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
• Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas)
• Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)
• Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
• Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
• Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
• Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)
• Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
• Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.)

 

[studenygreg]

Really hurts to see a Texas Republican (RINO) Senator join those in the Senate who caved:

• Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
• Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
• Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)
• Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
• Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas)
• Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)
• Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
• Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
• Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
• Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)
• Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
• Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.)

Well we always knew he was a turd.

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[oldag]

If governmental abuse/overreach are your primary concerns, then this law doesn't change a thing from your perspective. The gov can make up all kinds of BS and falsely prosecute you for years right this very minute, without this bill ever getting out of the Senate.

This just gives them one more opportunity to do so.

 

[pronstar]

Negotiate
Rights
Away





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[oldag]

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One of the reasons I no longer support the NRA.

 

[toddnjoyce]

If governmental abuse/overreach are your primary concerns, then this law doesn't change a thing from your perspective. The gov can make up all kinds of BS and falsely prosecute you for years right this very minute, without this bill ever getting out of the Senate.

I’m more generally concerned that .gov traditionally used knowingly and willfully/willingly as the standard to establish the mental state for criminal intent. Watering it down to just willfully puts it in essentially the same mental state as negligently or recklessly.

 

[General Zod]

Really hurts to see a Texas Republican (RINO) Senator join those in the Senate who caved:

• Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.)
• Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.)
• Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.)
• Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine)
• Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas)
• Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa)
• Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.)
• Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)
• Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska)
• Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)
• Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
• Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)
• Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.)

He didn't "join" them, he fucking led them.

 

[oldag]

Unless the House D's are even stupider than I think, this bill will pass both houses. And the D's will have gained a little more ground.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Unless the House D's are even stupider than I think, ….

They just may be.