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    Parking lot lights are often 277V in larger installations, which is one leg of 480V three phase. Good start? A quick search says Superchargers need all three phases, which means wire will likely need to be pulled.

    But that's only the first part of the puzzle. Does the site have adequate transformer support for the additional loads? Then as we build out more, will the local distribution need to be increased in capacity? At what point will we need to have the conversation about increased generation? Those elements are way outside of my wheel house, so I can't even begin to speculate.

    But what I do know is this, because it was in the Supercharger literature. Max charge rate is currently 250kW which can top up a completely flat 100kWh long range Tesla, in theory, in under a half hour. Except you can't charge at the top rate 100% of the time (boom!). Even then, still pales in comparison to conveying 20 gallons of 87 octane, roughly 675 kW worth of energy, in about 3 minutes. We need to figure out electricity storage and transfer before this electric vehicle thing will really become ubiquitous. There's no doubt the efficiency is there with electric on the consumption side, everything else is a big work in progress.

    Then we still have to talk about the intrusiveness of the manufacturers with all the data 'sharing'.
     

    Ozzman

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    Are the same engineers that are in charge of figuring out this mess also in charge of making sure there is enough power output to run it all?
    Nope...

    Having one group in charge of ideas for chargers, another group managing the power grid, and expecting other people to pay for these chargers would not end well.
    Welcome to the LG/private sector...

    As I said, it was a point of emphasis this year moving into 2023 and 2024. They are asking (Texas) engineers to try and figure out these issues for our State to keep our corridors alive in the next decade. There is no complete one-answer-fits-all for us yet since there are still too many unknowns. We just have to find out what works here.

    But, you can bet that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc., are trying to work this out too. The first state to adopt a working model gets to reap the benefits.

    Oh, and yes; most parking lot illumination poles are greater than 220.
    Same for neighborhood luminaires.
     

    Grumps21

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    It's impractical even with the infrastructure. Took a friend's Tesla to Ft Worth. Plenty of superchargers along the way so infrastructure wasn't an issue. Stopping to charge added an hour and half to the trip. Started out will full battery, too.
    I knew it was a long charging time, but I had no idea it was that long. Was this straight charge time, or was there a wait to get to a free charger? Just think if you rolled up almost empty and the chargers were all full. What do you do to kill 1.5 hrs for the first car to finish then another 1.5 hrs to charge your car?
     

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    I knew it was a long charging time, but I had no idea it was that long. Was this straight charge time, or was there a wait to get to a free charger? Just think if you rolled up almost empty and the chargers were all full. What do you do to kill 1.5 hrs for the first car to finish then another 1.5 hrs to charge your car?
    Then you go shopping at the local stop and rob where they sell gas to regular people.
    Buckee's would be a good charging spot.
     

    Havok1

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    Nope...


    Welcome to the LG/private sector...

    As I said, it was a point of emphasis this year moving into 2023 and 2024. They are asking (Texas) engineers to try and figure out these issues for our State to keep our corridors alive in the next decade. There is no complete one-answer-fits-all for us yet since there are still too many unknowns. We just have to find out what works here.

    But, you can bet that California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc., are trying to work this out too. The first state to adopt a working model gets to reap the benefits.

    Oh, and yes; most parking lot illumination poles are greater than 220.
    Same for neighborhood luminaires.
    what will those benefits be?
     

    gll

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    Oh, and yes; most parking lot illumination poles are greater than 220.
    Same for neighborhood luminaires.

    Does that mean every light pole could have a charging station or two if there was enough power to feed them?
     

    candcallen

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    POWER GENERATION AND DELIVERY. BATTERY CAPACITY.

    until both are properly mature the rest is wasted time and money. They only thing the gooberment should be involved in is permitting changes so when it's time to build out tge power generation and infrastructure they get the phuck outta the way.
     

    Sam Colt

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    Does that mean every light pole could have a charging station or two if there was enough power to feed them?
    Could you attach a charging station or 2 at eac of your porch lights? ;-)

    Actually, no to the above. The current wiring is sized to power the lamp. The current needed for the chargers would almost certainly overload it. It would DEFINITELY overload it if you tried to use one of the chargers.
     

    pronstar

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    I wonder how commercial rates work in Texas…I was talking with a buddy in CA, he said if he pulled enough juice through his warehouse to charge a 100 kWh battery in 30 minutes, the utility upcharges would be astronomical
     

    pronstar

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    They're A to A vehicles that work well if you charge at home at night.
    But they can quickly become a PITA the farther from home you get.

    I’d probably get another one just for the back/forth to customers in Plano (I’m down near Arlington), but we also have two real cars
     

    TheDan

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    I knew it was a long charging time, but I had no idea it was that long. Was this straight charge time, or was there a wait to get to a free charger? Just think if you rolled up almost empty and the chargers were all full. What do you do to kill 1.5 hrs for the first car to finish then another 1.5 hrs to charge your car?
    It was three separate charging times of about 30min each. Didn't have to wait, but one of those times we took the last available charger so if someone else came along they'd have to wait on us.

    I will say the process was completely mindless on our part. We just told the car where we were going and it planned the trip on where to stop and for how long. Since it's all on the network talking to each other, it should never send you to a charger that is in use. The car would send my buddy a message letting him know it was done charging so we could stop twiddling our thumbs and get back to driving.
     

    Tnhawk

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    It was three separate charging times of about 30min each. Didn't have to wait, but one of those times we took the last available charger so if someone else came along they'd have to wait on us.

    I will say the process was completely mindless on our part. We just told the car where we were going and it planned the trip on where to stop and for how long. Since it's all on the network talking to each other, it should never send you to a charger that is in use. The car would send my buddy a message letting him know it was done charging so we could stop twiddling our thumbs and get back to driving.
    Great, when everything works properly. However in the real world, what are the chances of that happening? As the number of ev's increases will there be an adequate number of functional charging stations?
    At one time it was easy to fly without delays, using connecting flights, but those days are gone.
     
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    leVieux

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    It's impractical even with the infrastructure. Took a friend's Tesla to Ft Worth. Plenty of superchargers along the way so infrastructure wasn't an issue. Stopping to charge added an hour and half to the trip. Started out will full battery, too.
    “To Fort Worth” from where ? Distance ?
     
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