Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[Olegunguy]

Not sure, I’ll have to check; it’s an MCX Rattler in 5.56.

SKU is PM X-5B-TAP

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

FWIW, Trust lawyers are recommending pistols with "stabilizing braces" be added to a trust on an addendum form BEFORE the "rule" hits the federal registrar. Texas law states that the form does not have to be notarized but trust lawyers say it wouldn't hurt if you can get it done.

ETA: If you plan to go through the "registration", they recommend putting each firearm on a separate addendum.

 

[vmax]

 

[Olegunguy]

If you’re making legal interpretations based on an infographic of a 293 page rule, you get whatever happens.

If you were to take an MCX Rattler, put a 16” barrel in it and get to >26” OAL rifle, you still have the short barrel to deal with with. Stamp or destroy or surrender roll the dice on constructive possession are your options for that <16” barrel in your possession.

I seriously doubt destroy is an option; the whole thing is a lot disappointing though, as my dealer is a class 3 dealer, and told me if that rule went into effect, the Sig would not be affected. I have purchased a 300 BO barrel and stock for it, and was going to see about a suppressor at a later date. Oh well, I might end up selling the whole thing, never even been fired.

 

[Olegunguy]

Thanks for the help, new here and obviously just getting the hang of things here.

 

[toddnjoyce]

I seriously doubt destroy is an option; the whole thing is a lot disappointing though, as my dealer is a class 3 dealer, and told me if that rule went into effect, the Sig would not be affected. I have purchased a 300 BO barrel and stock for it, and was going to see about a suppressor at a later date. Oh well, I might end up selling the while thing, never even been fired.

This is why I’ve said a lot of folks need to be patient; you’ve effectively got at least 59 days to make a decision on what to do.

Within days of this rule being published in the Federal Register, there will be multiple lawsuits and injunctions applied for in multiple jurisdictions.

But your dealer wasn’t wrong, unless you bought the gun on the last week. The final ruling is demonstrably different than what was proposed. The other thing to keep in mind is what ATF considers the firearm to be. For the MCX Rattler, that’s likely the lower receiver, which is why I said you could likely swap the barrel and maybe exchange the MCX brace for the MCX stock and end up with a legal rifle. But you still have to do something with the brace and barrel or apply for the stamp to avoid a potential constructive possession situation.

 

[Olegunguy]

Thank you, excellent advice. I was going to wait, as I know GOA will be filing suit, along with many others. At this time, it is a “wait and see” situation.
And in addition, I had thought about the stock/barrel that I would still possess; a little like having the internals for a full auto just sitting on the shelf; but ATF is going to interpret any way they want, so it’s best to give them nothing to interpret.

 

[Olegunguy]

Again, thanks for all the good information; a really good thread !

 

[Steve In Texas]

Another Monday with nothing new for pistol brace showing in the Federal Register.

 

[vmax]

Another Monday with nothing new for pistol brace showing in the Federal Register.

Is is normal to wait so long?

 

[Renegade]

Is is normal to wait so long?

2-3 weeks is normal

 

[oldag]

What little I have been able to read of the document shows several things. First, it is a raw power grab stealing legislative power from Congress. Also, it is written so loosely and in the ATF's favor that anyone could be nailed for anything. The dishonesty of the ATF is hugely on display.

 

[thescoutranch]

Just curious as to where an AK pistol would fall? It was bought new, with no brace and no brace was ever installed.

 

[BeatTheTunaUp]

Just curious as to where an AK pistol would fall? It was bought new, with no brace and no brace was ever installed.

Same. My Stribog came with an end cap that doesn't allow for a brace. A brace was thrown in loose as a promotional item Uninstalled.

And I assume A Palmetto being US built is good to go?

 

[oldag]

"This is an SBR! That is an SBR! EVERYTHING is an SBR!"

 

[majormadmax]

Just curious as to where an AK pistol would fall? It was bought new, with no brace and no brace was ever installed.

Most AK pistols don't gave a provision for adding a stock (the Vz-58 does, but technically it's not an AK!), and AK pistols don't have buffer tubes like their AR counterparts, so most Kalashnikov pistols aren't affected...

 

[Renegade]

Just curious as to where an AK pistol would fall? It was bought new, with no brace and no brace was ever installed.

Unaffected just like a Colt Python

 

[Renegade]

"This is an SBR! That is an SBR! EVERYTHING is an SBR!"

You get an SBR, she gets an SBR, Everybody gets an SBR!

No coke, Pepsi. No brace, SBR!

 

[thescoutranch]

Most AK pistols don't gave a provision for adding a stock (the Vz-58 does, but technically it's not an AK!), and AK pistols don't have buffer tubes like their AR counterparts, so most Kalashnikov pistols aren't affected...

Unaffected just like a Colt Python

Great! Thank you.

Now, Do your answers remain the same with the fact that they did make and sell aftermarket braces that you could put on these AK pistols.

If you have an AK pistol that you installed an aftermarket brace (did not come from the factory/manufacture with it ) on do you just need to remove the brace and dispose of it to return to legal status?

 

[toddnjoyce]

I’m of the mind there is no conceivable way anyone can comply with this ruling if they own a pistol of any flavor without an ATF review of the firearm in question.

How did I get there? ATF tells you some of the things they can consider is marketing, manufacturer statements, and what the general public does with the firearm.

Since ATF doesn’t regulate accessories, but firearms, they can’t really say one Heritage Rough Rider .22LR is a pistol. Since the firearm is designed with removable grips, braces (which can’t be regulated - unlike bumpstocks) have been manufactured, some of those braces contain surface area, and some people have used that brace to shoulder the pistol, therefore the firearm is an SBR.

Absolutely fûcking retarded.