Ukraine invasion

[angel71rs]

Very chartiable, since the whole "NATO started it by encroaching on Russian territory", "Ukraine has always been part of Russia" and "The US is sabotaging peace efforts" lines are being parroted.

You forgot "biolabs" and "natzis".

Jewish natzis like Zelensky are the worst!!!

 

[Havok1]

It’s also comical that people will act like they know more about the negotiations than the guy who was leading them while having no evidence to contradict them other than it’s not the narrative they prefer.

 

[General Zod]

It’s also comical that people will act like they know more about the negotiations than the guy who was leading them while having no evidence to contradict them other than it’s not the narrative they prefer.

Funny how Naftali Bennett is one of the ones who's contradicting your narrative.



(BTW, this is how you you link to a fucking source)

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/22/israel-russia-invasion-ukraine-bennett-mediation-failure

The Biden administration was "not against it, but they were skeptical about the chances of success. And in hindsight, they were right," Bennett said. Quoted from the above link because I have more to go on that "Because I said so".

In other interviews, Bennett has said the negotiations were "stopped", not "blocked by the US", and has pointed to the Bucha massacre as a reason he ended the negotiations.

But hey, I guess you know better than he does.

 

[General Zod]

Now I'm waiting for the classic "None of that means what I said was wrong" claim.

 

[CavCop]

you said my source is Kremlin propaganda so I’m sure when you go back to find that example you’ll find something.

Maybe you’re just ignoring what doesn’t fit your narrative.

His triggered response to anything he disagrees with is to respond with “Kremlin Propaganda”.

 

[Havok1]

Funny how Naftali Bennett is one of the ones who's contradicting your narrative.



(BTW, this is how you you link to a fucking source)

https://www.axios.com/2023/02/22/israel-russia-invasion-ukraine-bennett-mediation-failure

The Biden administration was "not against it, but they were skeptical about the chances of success. And in hindsight, they were right," Bennett said. Quoted from the above link because I have more to go on that "Because I said so".

In other interviews, Bennett has said the negotiations were "stopped", not "blocked by the US", and has pointed to the Bucha massacre as a reason he ended the negotiations.

But hey, I guess you know better than he does.

I said before that he said it had a 50% chance so don’t act like you’re teaching me somethjng. Maybe rather than cherry picking a quote you should watch the video.

 

[General Zod]

I said before that he said it had a 50% chance so don’t act like you’re teaching me somethjng. Maybe rather than cherry picking a quote you should watch the video.

"Cherry picking" exactly what the man himself said.

There is no getting through to you. I'm directly quoting what Neftali Bennett himself said about the negotiations that were conducted by one Neftali Bennett. But yeah, apparently you know the situation better than he does.

 

[Havok1]

"Cherry picking" exactly what the man himself said.

There is no getting through to you. I'm directly quoting what Neftali Bennett himself said about the negotiations that were conducted by one Neftali Bennett. But yeah, apparently you know the situation better than he does.

Except he didn’t contradict me. You complain about not having sources but you will ignore them when they are right in front of your face if you think they might contradict what you think you know. Bennet did not say in that tweet that the negotiations weren’t blocked. He did say they were in the video.

 

[General Zod]

Except he didn’t contradict me. You complain about not having sources but you will ignore them when they are right in front of your face if you think they might contradict what you think you know. Bennet did not say in that tweet that the negotiations weren’t blocked. He did say they were in the video.

You mean the deceptively edited video in the first tweet that elicited Musk's reply and Bennett's answer?

No, Elon, the U.S. Didn’t Scuttle a Ukraine Peace Deal - The Bulwark

Twitter contrarians—given the spotlight by Elon Musk—distort an interview by Israel’s ex-PM.

www.thebulwark.com

Here's the original. Do you speak Hebrew? The pertinent part is apparently a couple of hours in, but unless you speak the language...

Bennett has said he was mis-translated. And says breaking off the negotiations was his choice. Is he lying? Does he not know what he was doing on that day? Do you somehow have more knowledge of what happened than him?


Now, if you are going to refute me, then post some goddamn proof that's dated after the information I've presented. Otherwise, stop talking out your ass.

This is it. Put up or shut up. No more deflecting, no more bluster, no more unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Havok1]

You mean the deceptively edited video in the first tweet that elicited Musk's reply and Bennett's answer?

No, Elon, the U.S. Didn’t Scuttle a Ukraine Peace Deal - The Bulwark

Twitter contrarians—given the spotlight by Elon Musk—distort an interview by Israel’s ex-PM.

www.thebulwark.com

Here's the original. Do you speak Hebrew? The pertinent part is apparently a couple of hours in, but unless you speak the language...

Bennett has said he was mis-translated. And says breaking off the negotiations was his choice. Is he lying? Does he not know what he was doing on that day? Do you somehow have more knowledge of what happened than him?


Now, if you are going to refute me, then post some goddamn proof that's dated after the information I've presented. Otherwise, stop talking out your ass.

This is it. Put up or shut up. No more deflecting, no more bluster, no more unsubstantiated claims.

I watched the original. Maybe you should too.

 

[candcallen]

Is russian TASS a propaganda outlet?

That's their line and his source.

 

[General Zod]

I watched the original. Maybe you should too.

The original? Where Bennett says he was mis-translated?

I've watched the one linked above. At 2:45:44 Bennett tells the inteviewer "The Bucha massacre - once that happened, I said 'it's over'..."

At 2:48 he comments that he thought the chances had been "50/50".

At no point have I seen him say the American government interfered or scuttled the talks as you have repleatedly claimed they did.

Maybe you can fucking link to something that proves your claim, or maybe just shut up about it. The latest I've found is that Bennett says he didn't claim the US government interfered, and that he decided the negotiations were over once the Russian war crimes in Bucha came to light.

 

[oldag]

Can we start a new thread just to track the war?

 

[Havok1]

The original? Where Bennett says he was mis-translated?

I've watched the one linked above. At 2:45:44 Bennett tells the inteviewer "The Bucha massacre - once that happened, I said 'it's over'..."

At 2:48 he comments that he thought the chances had been "50/50".

At no point have I seen him say the American government interfered or scuttled the talks as you have repleatedly claimed they did.

Maybe you can fucking link to something that proves your claim, or maybe just shut up about it. The latest I've found is that Bennett says he didn't claim the US government interfered, and that he decided the negotiations were over once the Russian war crimes in Bucha came to light.

Well maybe you should watch some more of it. There’s no telling what you may learn. Since you’re too lazy to put any effort into anything that doesn’t confirm your bias, it’s clear that you didn’t read the dialog in the link you posted earlier.

 

[General Zod]

Well maybe you should watch some more of it. There’s no telling what you may learn. Since you’re too lazy to put any effort into anything that doesn’t confirm your bias, it’s clear that you didn’t read the dialog in the link you posted earlier.

Present proof.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Can we start a new thread just to track the war?

I had been trying to think of a way to word it, but that's perfect.

 

[General Zod]

Can we start a new thread just to track the war?

Here, actual information about the war: Lots of chatter about training Ukrainian pilots to fly F-16's...still not talk of actually providing F-16s.

Leaked U.S. Report Says Basic F-16 Training For Ukrainian Pilots Could Take Just Four Months

An official U.S. Air Force assessment on training Ukrainian pilots has leaked as pressure builds to send Western fighter jets to Ukraine.

www.thedrive.com

 

[candcallen]

How about we discuss what are propaganda sources.

They are in every country and many other news sources are simply parroting back to the propaganda.

For instance, on this most recent discussion regarding who stopped the talks between Russian and Ukrane. While Havok refuses to post his source it is clearly tass or a source thand repeated tass's report. In the tass report their source is a Russian official who said talks were progressing till the U S killed them. Several other pro Russian news sources repeated this line.

The negotiators involved, stated several times than talk ended after Russian war crimes were discovered, peroid.

He discussed other places the opinions as to weather they would work or not but never Said the US killed them.


So is tass a propaganda source? If they continue to parrot the gooberment line regardless of truth and facts one would have to say yes.

We have seen the same thing in the US the last few years.

Should they be listed Gove funded or supported?

 

[General Zod]

How about we discuss what are propaganda sources.

They are in every country and many other news sources are simply parroting back to the propaganda.

For instance, on this most recent discussion regarding who stopped the talks between Russian and Ukrane. While Havok refuses to post his source it is clearly tass or a source thand repeated tass's report. In the tass report their source is a Russian official who said talks were progressing till the U S killed them. Several other pro Russian news sources repeated this line.

The negotiators involved, stated several times than talk ended after Russian war crimes were discovered, peroid.

He discussed other places the opinions as to weather they would work or not but never Said the US killed them.


So is tass a propaganda source? If they continue to parrot the gooberment line regardless of truth and facts one would have to say yes.

We have seen the same thing in the US the last few years.

Should they be listed Gove funded or supported?

TASS, RT, Pravda...all of these have never been anything but propaganda sources for their entire history. They don't know how to report facts, they only report what they're told by those in charge of the Russian government.

On this side of things, MSNBC, Mother Jones and their ilk are propaganda sources for the DNC...but even the extent that they're owned pales in comparison to the Russian sources. Nobody is going to drag Rachel Maddow off the set and arrest her during a broadcast if she goes off-script. In Russia, that has happened to anchors.

 

[Havok1]

Present proof.

at this point you’re either just trolling or incapable of learning if you can’t even read your own link. I’m done arguing this with you.