The SLIDE FIRE

[macshooter]

Why? Because I want to and I can.

Sounds like a good reason to me.

 

[FlashBang]

Yup. I would buy one FAST though when those hit the market because as soon as they do, I think a ban is right around the corner. I was going to wait for that myself, but then if there's a quality issue or some kink that needed to get ironed out with them, I don't think they will make it to version 2.0 before a ban hits. Sadly it's only a matter of time before some gangsta thug does something stupid with one and we all pay the price.

I don't think you will see ATF ban them for the reasons I stated previously. BUT... I could certainly see restrictions or bans on their use being possibly instituted at the State level. As for gangstas... I've never known one who did NOT do stupid stuff.

 

[Tejano Scott]

Let's keep it a tad bit more civil in here please! My first day on the job and I'm already editing posts.

 

[Clockwork]

Let's keep it a tad bit more civil in here please! My first day on the job and I'm already editing posts.

Wat. CENSORSHIP! Takin' mah 1A rights from meh!!

I jest, I jest. Actually I was thinking this was a pretty tame topic compared to many others we've had.

 

[Tejano Scott]

With the exception of 1 post, I agree.

 

[TxDad]

Let's keep it a tad bit more civil in here please! My first day on the job and I'm already editing posts.

Off topic alert. Congrats on the new job!!

 

[Tejano Scott]

Off topic alert. Congrats on the new job!!

Gracias!

 

[david6789]

Trying to find a Range I can use this at. I hope Best of the West will let me they are pretty awesome there.

 

[FlashBang]

If you are respectful and the range allows rapid fire on certain lanes, explain to them what it is and how it works. It is nothing more then rapid firing the firearm. It is not full auto. If they say no, that is their right and respect it. Where I go allows rapid fire on the pistol range and their policy is that as long as you can keep the rounds on paper you can use it. I am respectful and wait until the pistol range is not crowded so that the brass is not flying all over someone else. I also only practice using 3 round bursts and not wildly dumping magazines. Never had an issue with anyone on the range and most of them want to see it in action and know more about it and where to get it.

 

[macshooter]

I don't think you will see ATF ban them for the reasons I stated previously. BUT... I could certainly see restrictions or bans on their use being possibly instituted at the State level. As for gangstas... I've never known one who did NOT do stupid stuff.

Well they will have to tie themselves in a pretzel coming up with a new definition of a machine gun, or ban bumpfire altogether. I wouldn't put it past them to make "rapid fire" illegal along with any device that 'assists' with it, and tack that on to a new AWB with a bunch of other banned stuff, and then hide it in a last minute amendment to the next year's defense budget, and call it the "Firearms Owner's Freedom Amendment."

 

[Marlowe]

Let me see if I understand your statement here: You are saying that controlling the weapon with one hand on the fore stock, no hold on the pistol grip and only your finger being used to bump fire with by allowing the recoil to move the weapon rearwards and your fore stock hold to then pull it forward gives better control then having a grip on both the fore stock AND the pistol grip as when using the Slide Fire? You seem to also be saying that the Slide Fire allows the weapon to "flop around a half inch"... is your Slide Fire doing this? Mine is a straight smooth forward and back reciprocating action with no up/down/sideways "flop". Perhaps there is something wrong with yours?

No, I never said it gave BETTER control. I basically said (or at least meant) that there is a minimal difference between a pistol grip that isn't firmly attached to the weapon and just "winging it" with no pistol grip at all (at least not one being used). The "flop around" was intended to describe the same reciprocation: my personal opinion was that it sufficiently degrades the control of the weapon with the pistol grip enough to make it all but cosmetic. And no, there's nothing wrong with mine: except it's still on the store shelf where it will remain. I ran enough rounds through one to have formulated my assessment of the system, and it ain't good..

I would also question the statement that the "The forearm is effectively your controlling grip in either", the forearm is the controlling grip only for the forward movement and is coupled 50/50 with the rear grip for control of the weapon and accuracy. The rear grip is just as critical in controlling any weapon; if this were not the case then even bench shooters would not rely on the pistol grip of the weapon for control and accuracy. Many bench shooters I know will rest the fore stock on sandbags or similar while using the rear pistol grip to provide control for accuracy. I haven't seen any who hold only the fore stock, then rest the rear of the stock on a sandbag and only use a finger to pull the trigger.

Of course a standard pistol grip will become a significant control point, when it is a stable part of the weapon. IMHO, the grip on the SF loses that status quite significantly, which puts an inordinate amount of "responsibility" for control on the forward hand. It also degrades the important role that a solid buttstock plays in the same control.

Banning it would most likely require that the ATF also make it illegal to use your finger to bump fire a weapon as this is exactly what you are doing when you use a Slide Fire or Bumpski stock. The shooter uses their finger to effectively pull the trigger for each shot fired. You are in effect simply increasing the speed at which this can be done and providing a better grip for control.

You know as well as I that the ATF is perfectly capable of coming up with language that will ban this. Will they? Only time will tell. Given their history, I think it's foolish to bet against it.. It's basically a thumbing of the nose at their regulations, with a commensurate level of "loopholism"; they really, really don't like that.

 

[FlashBang]

@Marlowe: So in summation; your tried the Slide Fire and it did not meet your requirements for what you were looking for and found that it had no use to you.

I appreciate and support your decision that it was not something that was determined to be appropriate or desired by you for your use. The same as I respect and support others ( including my own ) decision that they found it to be something that they did find desirable and wanted to add in to their shooting experience. To wholesale discount it based only on your own opinion of it and its applicability for your own use is, in my opinion, pretty closed minded. I may try a product and determine that I don't like it or have a use for it, but that does not mean that the product has no value to anyone else and is silly or worthless. The beauty of enjoying the sport of firearms is that we all can tailor it to our own particular interests, desires and enjoyment based on our own individual tastes, needs and wants.

So to sum up my own comments and opinion, if it is not for you then that is your choice; but be considerate of the fact that not everyone's interests are the same as your. There is no legitimate reason to denigrate or cajole someone who purchases it or uses it. I thank you for providing your initial feedback that you did not find it to your liking. I think that was all that was needed to be said.

As for the ATF some day deciding it can no longer be sold, its like any other possible ATF rule change; we'll have to cross that bridge when we come to it. Until that time I, and others, will continue to use and enjoy it.

 

[Clockwork]

So would something like this work on a Saiga 12, then?

SSAK-47 XRS Bump-Fire Stock AK-47 Right Hand Polymer Black

Gives me ideas.

Edit: It DOES say "Compatibility: Stamped Receiver, Fixed Stock AK-47/AK-74 variants, Converted Saiga Rifles & Shotguns" but I'm curious if anyone has done it or seen someone who has.

 

[FlashBang]

Saiga 12 gauge with Slide Fire on it

Saiga 12 Gauge Slide Fire Shooting - YouTube

 

[Acera]

So would something like this work on a Saiga 12, then?

SSAK-47 XRS Bump-Fire Stock AK-47 Right Hand Polymer Black

Gives me ideas.

Edit: It DOES say "Compatibility: Stamped Receiver, Fixed Stock AK-47/AK-74 variants, Converted Saiga Rifles & Shotguns" but I'm curious if anyone has done it or seen someone who has.

Looks like it does with a slidefire...............


He also does a real good job explaining and showing how they work. You see the relation to the pistol grip and why it's not just the buttstock that is the key? Notice how when he shows the left side his finger is actually not on the trigger, but on the plastic extension of the stocks pistol grip? That is what makes the thing work, you pull the guns trigger onto your trigger finger as it's held in place by the stock, you don't actually pull the trigger in the traditional manner.

I think this guy did a good job controlling the gun, for being inexperienced with it. Hopefully all of you that get them and do the same or better. Might help dispel some of the can't control it guys myths about them. However, I do disagree with his pronunciation of Estate as Ess-Tee, LOL.


(Dang it FlashBang, you posted this video as I was posting the same thing, LOL. Good Job)

 

[Clockwork]

... I am so aroused.

 

[FlashBang]

... I am so aroused.

Holster that weapon big boy!

 

[Clockwork]

I was looking at getting like a $650 side folding stock by Mako for my Saiga 12 project, but now I might just go with the Slide Fire for only $300.

 

[midnightyell]

I shot a Saiga with a slide fire Sunday. I went from zero interest in a Saiga or slide fire to wanting one VERY much in just a few shells.
I'll post my own video when I get the AAR done on OFASTS. Great little machine gun shoot.


It's all Tapatalk or the iPhone's fault.

 

[macshooter]

That's wild. Too bad I sold my S12 about 6mo before these came out. I'm thinking one of those would be good for pesky drones.