granny gets tased

[txinvestigator]

Hmm.
Take the ticket or get Tasered?

Ticket please.

I love my Granny but I would call her an old fool if she acted like this, "Granny, you got what you had comin' to ya".

Negative. She refused to sign and told him to just take her to jail. So he ordered her out of the vehicle to arrest her. That is when she began to resist.

 

[txinvestigator]

Isn't a Taser a weapon?

Damn good thing this lady doesn't have a pacemaker.

The TASER does not interfere with pacemakers. Yes, it is a weapon. It also less dangerous than going hands on with a person.

 

[txinvestigator]

Constable is a bully with anger issues and should seriously consider another line of work. Hell our sheriff { Greg Hamiliton} was "shocked" by the constable's actions.

I agree that the officer let her attitude get the best of him, but once he decided to arrest and she resisted the TASER was appropriate.

Old lady is cranky bitch with attitude problems but did ask for the ticket to sign.

She refused to sign, then told him to arrest her. Once she discovered he WOULD, she changed her tone. At that point I would have just had her sign and be done with it.

Cop= in the wrong.

Could have handled it better but he did nothing "wrong".

 

[txinvestigator]

I thought you could not be forced to sign a traffic ticket. R I misinformed?

No, you are not. But if you refuse to sign you can be arrested for the traffic offense.

 

[txinvestigator]

In Texas you have to allow the person to sign the ticket. You can not force them to sign but then they will be taken into custody and have to post bond.

ONLY for speeding and open container. Anything else and the person can be arrested regardless of their decision to sign or not.

When Granny Bitchypants stated she would sign, Constable Cartman{ you will respect my authoritah} was obligated to allow her to sign and be on her way.

Negative. He had already made the decision to arrest her after she refused to sign and told him to take her to jail. She was resisting arrest at that point.

 

[txinvestigator]

That guys desreves an ass whoopin... number one I dont see the need to tase her, if he was even semi-competent in the use of non-lethal force I dont see how she could not have been safley detained,

He did safely detain her. He did not have to go hands on and potentially break her old bones or dislocate her shoulder, etc. The TASER only hurts until it stops.

 

[TxEMTP69]

He did safely detain her. He did not have to go hands on and potentially break her old bones or dislocate her shoulder, etc. The TASER only hurts until it stops.

This was my thought on this, if he had tried to physically restrain her while she was resisting he could have done much more harm than good.

 

[Hoji]

ONLY for speeding and open container. Anything else and the person can be arrested regardless of their decision to sign or not.

Negative. He had already made the decision to arrest her after she refused to sign and told him to take her to jail. She was resisting arrest at that point.

Now you quoted everything I said in that post except this"IIRC this only applies to speeding tickets."


If you are going to quote me with the intent of correcting me, please do not do so out of context.

 

[navyguy]

Although the officer may have been technically justified in what he did, it was not necessary, and showed very poor situational management on his part. She agreed to sign the ticket, and his ego got the best of him. What would he have done a few years ago when LEO didn't carry tasers? Go to the night stick?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Although the officer may have been technically justified in what he did, it was not necessary, and showed very poor situational management on his part. She agreed to sign the ticket, and his ego got the best of him. What would he have done a few years ago when LEO didn't carry tasers? Go to the night stick?

He probably would have broken an arm or wrist trying to get her hands behind her back if she kept resisting....it's easy to watch the video & judge.....

 

[Big country]

Although the officer may have been technically justified in what he did, it was not necessary, and showed very poor situational management on his part. She agreed to sign the ticket, and his ego got the best of him. What would he have done a few years ago when LEO didn't carry tasers? Go to the night stick?

You are right he was technically justified but it would have been easier to let her sign the ticket and go on down the road.

He probably would have broken an arm or wrist trying to get her hands behind her back if she kept resisting....it's easy to watch the video & judge.....

You are also correct I did not see the whole video and I don't think the rest of us did either.

Was this officer in fear of bodily injury? Doubtful. Did Granny egg it on and instigate the situation? yes. All tho i think the deputy is in need of "people skills" class, I do not think he should be fired, Maybe given a few days off without pay to go over the incident in his head think about what he did. So IMHO granny got hers and the deputy is defiantly getting his. And when the lawsuits settle, I bet he is working for the same agency, and she is speeding in a brand new car to a brand new house and tax payers footed the bill for both his pr classes and her new car and house.

 

[txinvestigator]

You are right he was technically justified but it would have been easier to let her sign the ticket and go on down the road.

You are also correct I did not see the whole video and I don't think the rest of us did either.

Was this officer in fear of bodily injury?

What difference does that make? He was arresting her. He is allowed to use force to effect the arrest. It is unlawful to resist arrest. The use of the TASER was the safest way to effect that arrest. Safer for her AND him.

Did Granny egg it on and instigate the situation?

Granny CREATED the situation, refused to sign the ticket, was ordered out of the car for arrest, then resisted. Only when the officer called her on her "bluff" did she agree to sign. Although at that point I would have allowed her to sign, the officer was under no obligation to do so.

Maybe given a few days off without pay to go over the incident in his head think about what he did.

He broke no law or policy, what would he be suspended for? Not doing it the way YOU would?

And when the lawsuits settle, I bet he is working for the same agency, and she is speeding in a brand new car to a brand new house and tax payers footed the bill for both his pr classes and her new car and house.

If she is dumb enough to file suit, she won't win.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

If she is dumb enough to file suit, she won't win.

I truly hope this is how it would turn out.....not that she file, but if she did file she would not win....however....

 

[txinvestigator]

I truly hope this is how it would turn out.....not that she file, but if she did file she would not win....however....

I doin't know if it has been posted here, but before the dash cam video was released, Granny got herself on the news crying about how badly she was treated and how she did nothing wrong. The reporter showed her the complaint, and she said it was full of lies. She claimed she did not cuss, did not refuse to sign, and never resisted.

She would not answer the door when the reporters went back AFTER the dash cam video was released and the truth was out.

 

[Big country]

I doin't know if it has been posted here, but before the dash cam video was released, Granny got herself on the news crying about how badly she was treated and how she did nothing wrong. The reporter showed her the complaint, and she said it was full of lies. She claimed she did not cuss, did not refuse to sign, and never resisted.

She would not answer the door when the reporters went back AFTER the dash cam video was released and the truth was out.

Ha Ha Ha! That is funny and that is how I figured it would be. "poor granny got beaten up by the big bad cop" but granny got hers and it was her fault. And I don't think he should be suspended I said "Maybe given a few days off without pay" That is a nice way of saying "week end" and it will make Granny happy so it is a win win. If she sues Travis County she will win, because Travis county will settle out of court and not g to trial. And if it did go to trial the judge would still rule in her favor.

 

[navyguy]

What difference does that make? He was arresting her. He is allowed to use force to effect the arrest.He broke no law or policy, what would he be suspended for? Not doing it the way YOU would?
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All true, but these sort of things get played out in the public eye, and a 6 foot plus 200+ cop tasing a 72 year old grand ma stirs a lot of emotions in people. It was poor judgement on his part. Remember the Dallas cop that detained the food ball player (forgot his name) writing him a ticket while his mother in law was on her death bed. He did nothing wrong by the book either. Where is he now?

 

[txinvestigator]

All true, but these sort of things get played out in the public eye, and a 6 foot plus 200+ cop tasing a 72 year old grand ma stirs a lot of emotions in people. It was poor judgement on his part. Remember the Dallas cop that detained the food ball player (forgot his name) writing him a ticket while his mother in law was on her death bed. He did nothing wrong by the book either. Where is he now?

There is a HUGE difference between those two incidents.

Expert evidence will be offered that shows that a TASE is mush safer for granny than westling her to the ground. I think a jury would be appalled by her behavior.

And what part do you consider "poor judgment"?

 

[txinvestigator]

Ha Ha Ha! That is funny and that is how I figured it would be. "poor granny got beaten up by the big bad cop" but granny got hers and it was her fault.

"Granny got hers"? The TASER was not used to teach granny a lesson, punish her or in any way be punitive. It was used as a control device to effect an arrest. That is all.

And I don't think he should be suspended I said "Maybe given a few days off without pay"

That is a suspension on my planet.

That is a nice way of saying "week end" and it will make Granny happy

Who gives a rats ass about making granny happy?

so it is a win win.

Except for the officer who loses money and gives credence that he was wrong for TASERing her.

If she sues Travis County she will win, because Travis county will settle out of court and not g to trial.

A settlement is not a "win". And perhaps TC will and perhaps they won't.

And if it did go to trial the judge would still rule in her favor.

Completely disagree.

 

[navyguy]

And what part do you consider "poor judgment"?

When she said she would sign the ticket, that should have been the end of it. At that point there was no reason for an arrest other than the cops feelings and ego were hurt. He should have said: "all right, sign here, and next time please do what the officer asks. Have a nice day and slow down" Serve and protect.

 

[txinvestigator]

When she said she would sign the ticket, that should have been the end of it. At that point there was no reason for an arrest other than the cops feelings and ego were hurt. He should have said: "all right, sign here, and next time please do what the officer asks. Have a nice day and slow down" Serve and protect.

For me, I would not have even cared if she refused to sign. If she ignores it she gets a warrant.

However, the law does allow for an arrest of she refuses. Once she was out of the car and told him give her the fu(*&ing ticket, she'd sign..I might have had her sign then too. However, she was combative and uncooperative. I agree the officer may have let his ego get to him, but those situations are dynamic and fluid.

It was clear she did not care what the officer told her. Once he made his decision to arrest, it was too late for her to backpedal. Don't bluff unless you are willing to call it.