House GOP just passed bill to restore health insurance

[breakingcontact]

Mosin, i understand what you are saying in terms of theory but pragmatically i dont know if the Republicans could survive by doing so. I dont like where we are at but the public demands their politicians do something, often the Republicans just counter what the left wants with slightly less offensive versions but that long term is a loser as well.

I think the real answer is to stop the deficit spending.

 

[TX69]

Lol

On a side note, the republicans need to pass a bill defunding it...

Yup. They must do "something" otherwise if they sit back it will be noted AGAIN that they are doing nothing and then further erode what little is eft of their base.

 

[XinTX]

They should have called this the "Mary Landeau Re-election Act". She has a bill in the Senate to put a fig leaf on ObamaCAIR so she can use it in her campaign ads. The Senate will take the Upton bill, replace it with hers, then send it back to the House. Then the GOP can either vote for HER bill, or vote against it. A "lose-lose" proposition. If they vote for it, it will hand the Senate to the Dems in the mid-terms. If they vote against it, they'll be portrayed as blocking any "needed reforms". The Landreu bill does enough so those that voted for it can say they voted for a 'fix', but in reality changes NOTHING. Now the GOP has, once again, snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. The 'Party of Stupid' strikes again.

 

[stdreb27]

Yup. They must do "something" otherwise if they sit back it will be noted AGAIN that they are doing nothing and then further erode what little is eft of their base.

They're eroding their base by not standing behind Cruz when he tries to stop this before it destroyed people's healthcare plans...

 

[XinTX]

They're eroding their base by not standing behind Cruz when he tries to stop this before it destroyed people's healthcare plans...

This. It was disgusting to see the games that were played during that time. Hope people remember who stood up and who cowered.

 

[Vaquero]

This. It was disgusting to see the games that were played during that time. Hope people remember who stood up and who cowered.

+1

 

[jrbfishn]

Too late to keep my insurance from doubleing


from a non-recovering coffeeholic

 

[jordanmills]

I thought the plan was to let it fail and that's why Cruz was a hostage taker. Now that it's failing they're trying to fix it?!?

Whiskey tango foxtrot.

If I hear another republican say, they oppose it, because it's not ready for prime time. I'm going to puke. Because I infer that they would support it with some adjustments... And if that's the case what the hell is the point for voting republican?!?

Probably them trying to stab cruz in the back.

 

[Greg_TX]

Up to this point, the ACA has been a Democrat-only initiative. Not a single Republican voted for it when it passed into law, and the last thing they should do is put their fingerprints on it in an attempt to fix it. What the Doofus in Chief and some in Congress are trying to do is patch and paint cracks in the sheetrock instead of fixing the busted slab this thing is built on. The fundamental flaw of the ACA is the mandate that insurance companies must cover people with pre-existing conditions with no annual or lifetime caps on payouts. The only way they can afford to do that is if the young and healthy folks are forced to buy into the program to subsidize the high-risk people that are going to receive far more in claims support than they pay in. The high-risk patients will be among the first to sign up because now they can finally get some sort of coverage, but the cavalry of the young and healthy folks won't be riding over the hill anytime soon if there's a choice otherwise. What will likely result is a system burdened by expensive patients that want in now, with no initial support from those that are, by choice, uninsured or minimally insured that would be forced to buy expensive policies they don't want or need. The money has to come from somewhere, and as long as it's cheaper to opt out entirely and pay the penalty or revert to a low-cost, low-benefit plan that by law would have gone away by now, there will be a vacuum that can only be filled by jacking up rates for everybody - or there will be even more companies opting out of the state exchanges, which will happen even faster than before if the rules are changed mid-stream.

 

[Younggun]

The healthcare bill is gonna be a tough wall for the dems to break through either way.

Just had our annual open enrollment at work Teusday and the HR director was explaining how the ACA effected things. You'd be surprised how many had no idea until that day that they would be forced to buy insurance or pay a fine, they weren't pleased.

I DO believe that the dems will put all of this on Obama. He will be a sacrifice because he is on his way out anyways and whoever they put up as his replacement will distance themselves from him to a degree, same with house and senate hopefuls. They will run as trying to "fix" his mistake.

The vote depends on whether the swing voters and the dems just realizing they got screwed figure out this is not something done by one person and is actually a party plan that will not be overturned unless the dems are removed. It will also depend heavily on conservatives building some kind of trust with swing voters and conservative dems. Romney and Obama did a good job of destroying that credibility with a few sound bites, not to mention the media.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I see it as just another publicity stunt of the GOP. They know this bill will not get passed through the Senate, even IF it did Ovomit has already stated that he will veto it. I do however think more Dems are slowly washing their hands of the ACA as theyre starting to see it's not doing as well as they had hoped. As far as the elections go the Dems will play the same old sad tune about how the Pubs want to roll grandma off the cliff. Then the Pubs will counter with how poor the law has done thus far, stale mate.... I predict the flawed law will implode in on itself given enough time.

 

[stdreb27]

I see it as just another publicity stunt of the GOP. They know this bill will not get passed through the Senate, even IF it did Ovomit has already stated that he will veto it. I do however think more Dems are slowly washing their hands of the ACA as theyre starting to see it's not doing as well as they had hoped. As far as the elections go the Dems will play the same old sad tune about how the Pubs want to roll grandma off the cliff. Then the Pubs will counter with how poor the law has done thus far, stale mate.... I predict the flawed law will implode in on itself given enough time.

But they'll strip out the language in the house bill completely put there bill in. The republicans will cave and pass the bill in committee obama will sign it, and when it gets worse. And it will get worse... When the other shoe drops and employer provided healthcare is forced to comply they'll blame the republicans...

 

[breakingcontact]

The dems....back in their districts...should be scared. I think in the insular DC crowd they are falsely confident. However there are increasingly a lot of uneducated fools out there who think themselves wise. Very dangerous.

 

[Tomservo92]

Obamacare is just a big ponzi scheme. One of the central tenets of the scheme are the minimum coverages. People paying for them that don't need them are paying for those that do and can't afford it. The GOP bill allows people to keep the policies they have, not just for a year, but from now on. It also allows insurance companies to continue selling them. This would kill a core part of ACA. This is why our Obama says he'll veto it. What the Republicans did was put the Dems in a spot where they have to vote on eliminating a core component or vote against allowing people to keep their insurance. Either way it works out bad for the Dems. As to the Repubs doing nothing, I don't believe that would be good either. They don't want to be perceived as playing politics with peoples lives. I see this as a good move.

 

[Younggun]

Getting nothing done/doing nothing is a huge complaint people have with DC right now. They had to make a move, especially following their recent failure with the shutdown where they managed to piss of one group by doing it and everyone else by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Like it or not, this nation IS at a point of us vs them. The dems know this and are playing that game. The "conservatives" are still trying to play a middle ground and not make anybody mad.

Somebody WILL get mad, they have to choose if it will be their base, or those leaching off of their base. So far they are pissing off both.

 

[1slow01Z71]

Obamacare is just a big ponzi scheme. One of the central tenets of the scheme are the minimum coverages. People paying for them that don't need them are paying for those that do and can't afford it. The GOP bill allows people to keep the policies they have, not just for a year, but from now on. It also allows insurance companies to continue selling them. This would kill a core part of ACA. This is why our Obama says he'll veto it. What the Republicans did was put the Dems in a spot where they have to vote on eliminating a core component or vote against allowing people to keep their insurance. Either way it works out bad for the Dems. As to the Repubs doing nothing, I don't believe that would be good either. They don't want to be perceived as playing politics with peoples lives. I see this as a good move.

Getting nothing done/doing nothing is a huge complaint people have with DC right now. They had to make a move, especially following their recent failure with the shutdown where they managed to piss of one group by doing it and everyone else by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Like it or not, this nation IS at a point of us vs them. The dems know this and are playing that game. The "conservatives" are still trying to play a middle ground and not make anybody mad.

Somebody WILL get mad, they have to choose if it will be their base, or those leaching off of their base. So far they are pissing off both.

This pretty much covers my sentiments exactly. I believe the only way this is going to get better though is Boehner loosing his speaker position and the repubs winning the senate back. All of that can happen if the repubs play their cards right. I have little hope that they will though as history has taught us, theyre terrible at playing the game.

 

[breakingcontact]

Between listening to NPR and what my liberal friends are saying, the socialists are really being emboldened even as Obamacare is failing. I suppose thats always their answer and their retort as to why their plans fail, "we must go farther!"

 

[Tomservo92]

Between listening to NPR and what my liberal friends are saying, the socialists are really being emoldened even as Obamacare is failing. I suppose thats always their answer and their retort as to why their plans fail, "we must go farther!"

I have a number of liberal friends and they won't even discuss compromise. In fact, they truly believe the course we are on IS compromise. No presentation of facts will change their minds.


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[Southpaw]

I have a number of liberal friends and they won't even discuss compromise. In fact, they truly believe the course we are on IS compromise. No presentation of facts will change their minds.


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Facts only confuse liberals. Didn't you know that???

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I have a number of liberal friends and they won't even discuss compromise. In fact, they truly believe the course we are on IS compromise. No presentation of facts will change their minds.

Well they kind of have a point there, but all the compromise has come from the right each time they have folded....