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    I did not hear about that.

    To think that recognizing and affirming gay and "transgender" lifestyles is part of "good order and discipline" is completely insane.

    The gays compare their self imposed "struggle" to Blacks gaining equal rights, wonder if the "trans" folks will do the same?

    Meanwhile...in Russia...
     

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    I never gave a crap what a person was. When charlie came calling all I cared about was did they have my back. I guess you can afford to be more selective now.
     

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    Since all they seem to be saying is that there is no medical reason for transgendered to be bared from service I don't see the issue with that claim. Does anyone have a medical reason that they shouldn't serve?
     

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    So, to use the current Regime's logic: Say I'm a dude and can't (or won't) pass my PT test. But tomorrow I wake up and decide that I'm really a chick. So now I take the female-standard PT test, and pass it.

    Can't happen here? I gave up saying that a long time ago...
     

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    There's a lot of reasons for not allowing gays/lesbians/tranny's to serve.

    (1) Every instance IS a mental disorder. Their wiring goes against the natural laws of nature. There's no disputing that fact. Males have intercourse with females to procreate. Period. Sexual preference of a gender when everything is put together correctly is that for the opposite sex. That doesn't mean a gay person is evil or the devil, it just means by no fault of their own, their "feelings" don't align with their physical make up.

    (2) It creates problems with uniformity and moral in services. The military attempts to circumvent any problems with service members by eliminating the possibility of problems caused by the diversity in lifestyle.

    (3) It eliminates confusion when it comes to services for military personnel. A man showers with men and a women showers with women. Regular men and women don't want to worry about whether the person next to them really belongs in their shower or not. Most women don't want to shower with a man--although the opposite might not be the case.

    (4) Lastly, it eliminates problems with performance evaluations. A man is set to standards based on his physical makeup. So is a woman. Because men and women are physically different, standards are different. This eliminates the need for the military to worry about those shades of grey.

    Im sure there are other reasons, but these are just a few that are easily thought up. I'm all for equal rights of each and every person...but the buck stops when you cross the line and think that every single slightly different person deserves their own set of rights because of their different perspective on life.

    A mental disorder is a mental disorder.

    The definition of marriage is the definition of marriage.

    The military functions best under a fully uniformed structure--mind,body, and spirit.
     
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    There's a lot of reasons for not allowing gays/lesbians/tranny's to serve.

    (1) Every instance IS a mental disorder. Their wiring goes against the natural laws of nature. There's no disputing that fact. Males have intercourse with females to procreate. Period. Sexual preference of a gender when everything is put together correctly is that for the opposite sex. That doesn't mean a gay person is evil or the devil, it just means by no fault of their own, their "feelings" don't align with their physical make up.

    (2) It creates problems with uniformity and moral in services. The military attempts to circumvent any problems with service members by eliminating the possibility of problems caused by the diversity in lifestyle.

    (3) It eliminates confusion when it comes to services for military personnel. A man showers with men and a women showers with women. Regular men and women don't want to worry about whether the person next to them really belongs in their shower or not. Most women don't want to shower with a man--although the opposite might not be the case.

    (4) Lastly, it eliminates problems with performance evaluations. A man is set to standards based on his physical makeup. So is a woman. Because men and women are physically different, standards are different. This eliminates the need for the military to worry about those shades of grey.

    Im sure there are other reasons, but these are just a few that are easily thought up. I'm all for equal rights of each and every person...but the buck stops when you cross the line and think that every single slightly different person deserves their own set of rights because of their different perspective on life.

    A mental disorder is a mental disorder.

    The definition of marriage is the definition of marriage.

    The military functions best under a fully uniformed structure--mind,body, and spirit.

    Exactly. Well said.
    Somehow I'm "intolerant" when I try to explain the above reasoning to others.
     

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    I e always believed the standard should be equal for everyone. I see no reason a woman's qualifications should be any lower than a mans to do the same job.

    As to mental disorders.....that's really stretching things.



    I fully agree about latrines and showers. If a person attracted to the same sex can use the same facilities, should a person attracted to the opposite sex be able to use their facilities? It just doesn't work.
     

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    I wonder what percentage of people who are going to be against this have ever actually been in the military (not just here but everywhere).

    As someone whose been there, my opinion is, "Yawn."
     

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    How many are basing their opinion solely on religious principle and forming any physical reasoning they can to support a previously formed conclusion.

    Not an accusation, just a wondering thought.
     

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    There's a lot of reasons for not allowing gays/lesbians/tranny's to serve.

    (1) Every instance IS a mental disorder. Their wiring goes against the natural laws of nature. There's no disputing that fact. Males have intercourse with females to procreate. Period. Sexual preference of a gender when everything is put together correctly is that for the opposite sex. That doesn't mean a gay person is evil or the devil, it just means by no fault of their own, their "feelings" don't align with their physical make up.

    (2) It creates problems with uniformity and moral in services. The military attempts to circumvent any problems with service members by eliminating the possibility of problems caused by the diversity in lifestyle.

    (3) It eliminates confusion when it comes to services for military personnel. A man showers with men and a women showers with women. Regular men and women don't want to worry about whether the person next to them really belongs in their shower or not. Most women don't want to shower with a man--although the opposite might not be the case.

    (4) Lastly, it eliminates problems with performance evaluations. A man is set to standards based on his physical makeup. So is a woman. Because men and women are physically different, standards are different. This eliminates the need for the military to worry about those shades of grey.

    Im sure there are other reasons, but these are just a few that are easily thought up. I'm all for equal rights of each and every person...but the buck stops when you cross the line and think that every single slightly different person deserves their own set of rights because of their different perspective on life.

    A mental disorder is a mental disorder.

    The definition of marriage is the definition of marriage.

    The military functions best under a fully uniformed structure--mind,body, and spirit.

    1.) The old ridiculous "It goes against nature argument."

    List of animals displaying homosexual behavior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Males have intercourse with females to procreate. Period." LOLZ. Where have you been for the last several million years? Did you even go to high school?

    2.) No, and no. As to the first count, when I was in almost no one gave a shit. As to the second count, if anything they pander to it.

    3.) Group showers always come across as gay and those questions are going to be there no matter what. What, you seriously believe gay people haven't "Snuck into" the military when they were banned? How many times does a person even have to shower with them anyway? Couldn't this problem be easily solved by installing private stalls?

    4.) More BS. The standards you talk about are clearly defined and NOT subject to interpretation. At worst some new standards will have to written, which will probably make several Majors and Lt. Cols. have several orgasms now that they have some new mundane thing to write pages of regulations for.

    "I'm all for equal rights of each and every person... except when I'm not." FIFY.

    "A mental disorder is a mental disorder." LOZ. Homosexuality hasn't been classified by as a mental disorder since the 1973 in the US and 1992 worldwide.

    "The definition of marriage is the definition of marriage." Then define it, please, and explain why it has some magical properties no other law has which prevent it from ever being changed.

    "The military functions best under a fully uniformed structure--mind,body, and spirit."

    What the Hell is this even supposed to mean?
     
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    Glad to see our resident libertarians have weighed in with their usual "it dont affect me" view. You guys dont live isolated on an island! We are all in this together and our actions and choices and lifestyles DO affect each other.
     

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    I e always believed the standard should be equal for everyone. I see no reason a woman's qualifications should be any lower than a mans to do the same job.

    As to mental disorders.....that's really stretching things.



    I fully agree about latrines and showers. If a person attracted to the same sex can use the same facilities, should a person attracted to the opposite sex be able to use their facilities? It just doesn't work.

    I've used the pisser and shitter around gay men on enough occasions to tell you factually they behave the same way when taking a shit as everyone else.
     

    London

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    Glad to see our resident libertarians have weighed in with their usual "it dont affect me" view. You guys dont live isolated on an island! We are all in this together and our actions and choices and lifestyles DO affect each other.

    Are you in the military? How does this affect you?
     

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    From experience in basic:


    We had a guy that by all observable evidence, was fruity as could be. From his little manicure kit he showed up with to the way he walked. Cant remember his name but the DS called him Skittles.

    For some reason he liked to throw a towel over his shoulder and strut butt naked to the shower. Everybody would yell at him(probably cause he had reason to make the other guys feel....inadequate).


    In the end, it became irrelevant. He started wearing his towel to the shower, was a pretty damn good shot, and excelled at most of the training.


    Course, this was in the time of "don't ask, don't tell". It wasn't exactly discussed alot. At least, not around the barracks openly. He may have said something to his battle buddy but not that I know of.


    It would t have bothered me if I had to depend on him in combat based on what I saw in BT.
     
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