Have the chance to pick up a 1983 GMC Sierra....

[winchster]

Removing or disabling any emissions component is ILLEGAL. Doesn't matter the age. 99% chance you wouldn't get caught, but if you do, there's a hefty fine.

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More like 100% chance he wouldn't get caught. It's exempt, nobody will ever look.

FWIW, it's also illegal to remove the tags on a mattress, or not pull over for a Carriage, or spit in public, etc.etc.

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[franzas]

I thought if it's registered as an antique, it's exempt from all that emissions garbage

 

[rsayloriii]

More like 100% chance he wouldn't get caught. It's exempt, nobody will ever look.

FWIW, it's also illegal to remove the tags on a mattress, or not pull over for a Carriage, or spit in public, etc.etc.

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Tags on mattresses is BS... illegal to remove them only by anyone except the purchaser.

Besides, I'm not saying that I wouldn't do it myself, but rather beware that it still is illegal, no matter the age. It's a federal law. While not likely to be caught, we still don't condone illegal activities.

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[winchster]

I thought if it's registered as an antique, it's exempt from all that emissions garbage

If it's more than 26 years old it's exempt in Texas period.

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[TexasR.N.]

I you order anything from brotherstrucks, do so over the phone and confirm they have the parts in stock. I have been waiting for a little over a week for parts that were supposed to be here in 3 days.
I called today and they said my engine harness will take a month to build as it is done by hand. That's all good and well, but there is nothing about that in their description, and I was rebuilding mine when I said screw and tried to save time by ordering theirs.
One of the two people I spoke with said they had no idea how to edit their website to add additional information on the products. Ummm Ok.
Sorry for the rant.

On the other hand I got my ordered parts from LMCTruck w/ no problems at all.

 

[Koinonia]

I'm enjoying the chat about trucks, here.

Texas RN, I appreciate the heads up - Hopefully I wont be required to purchase anything any time soon, though!

 

[winchster]

http://www.classicparts.com/mobile/default.asp
Same parts as LMC but they don't rape you on shipping. Use LMC catalog for pictures and descriptions, then order from classic.
New wiring harness, go with EZ-Wire unless you are building a show truck.

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[Wiked]

I use LMC and they have been great, got all my glass from them then had Luna's here in town hand build all the trim and install it. Not cheap but worth it. I'll check out that classics page though, also try MAC's if you are having trouble finding things. Summit Racing is who I go to for performance parts and sign up to autozone and advance auto mailing lists for some 20 to 30% off coupons. I'm hoping to get one this weekend to order a performer manifold and carb for my car. As far as wiring I go with Spitfire at the downtown location if you don't want to do it your self

 

[TexasR.N.]

Thx for the good info posted above.

 

[atticus finch]

Tags on mattresses is BS... illegal to remove them only by anyone except the purchaser.

Besides, I'm not saying that I wouldn't do it myself, but rather beware that it still is illegal, no matter the age. It's a federal law. While not likely to be caught, we still don't condone illegal activities.

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If it's exempt, smog requirements don't apply, why would there be a requirement for any smog-related equipment?
Disabling smog equipment on an emissions regulated car is a federal offense, is there mention within the same law or laws regarding exempted cars & trucks?
My truck is exempt, no inspection is required for any requisite smog equipment. I don't see how you can violate a law when there's no requirement in the first place?
If this is the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, it's the first I've heard of it.

 

[rsayloriii]

If it's exempt, smog requirements don't apply, why would there be a requirement for any smog-related equipment?
Disabling smog equipment on an emissions regulated car is a federal offense, is there mention within the same law or laws regarding exempted cars & trucks?
My truck is exempt, no inspection is required for any requisite smog equipment. I don't see how you can violate a law when there's no requirement in the first place?
If this is the case, and I'm not saying it isn't, it's the first I've heard of it.

While you don't have to have a smog test, which is a state law, that does not mean that you can tamper with the emissions control devices on the vehicle. You have to remember that this is all FEDERAL law. Smog and other inspection criteria are all under STATE law, hence why only certain counties in Texas have emissions testing.


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[winchster]

While you don't have to have a smog test, which is a state law, that does not mean that you can tamper with the emissions control devices on the vehicle. You have to remember that this is all FEDERAL law. Smog and other inspection criteria are all under STATE law, hence why only certain counties in Texas have emissions testing.


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Careful, DHS may start under hood checkpoints.


ETA: There's a lot of dirt trackers and hot rodders in deep shit according to you.
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[atticus finch]

While you don't have to have a smog test, which is a state law, that does not mean that you can tamper with the emissions control devices on the vehicle. You have to remember that this is all FEDERAL law. Smog and other inspection criteria are all under STATE law, hence why only certain counties in Texas have emissions testing.


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I read the link you provided & the closest thing I could find was this section from the question about a catalytic converter being removed.

'(3)(A) for any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser; or
'(B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the part or component is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this title, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use; or '

Both of those sections reference an "....engine in compliance with regulations under this title...." Is that what you're talking about or something different?
Depending on what the legalese really says, assuming it doesn't mean what it says on face value. It doesn't mention engines exempt from smog requirements, it does mention engines & equipment subject to regulations under this title, which wouldn't include an engine which is exempt, hence why it's exempt?
If there's something else, by all means share it with us and let us know the straight scoop.
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[rsayloriii]

Careful, DHS may start under hood checkpoints.

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Just because the likely hood of getting caught is very slim, it doesn't mean that you never will, nor does it make it any less illegal. Like the law, or not, it is there.

 

[rsayloriii]

I read the link you provided & the closest thing I could find was this section from the question about a catalytic converter being removed.

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Yes, the question they listed was specifically for the catalytic convertor, but that is part of the emissions system. Doesn't matter what part is disabled, it's still technically illegal to bypass.

 

[winchster]

Just because the likely hood of getting caught is very slim, it doesn't mean that you never will, nor does it make it any less illegal. Like the law, or not, it is there.

Sorry. I didn't remove them, I just didn't replace them when I put headers on. Your argument is ridiculous and I think you're arguing just to argue.
The feds have little or no involvement with my vehicle once built.

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[rsayloriii]

Sorry. I didn't remove them, I just didn't replace them when I put headers on. Your argument is ridiculous and I think you're arguing just to argue.
The feds have little or no involvement with my vehicle once built.

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You disabled them. That's the illegal part. Doesn't matter how or why, it's the fact that you did it. My whole point is that it IS illegal, thus it's up to that person as to whether it's worth the risk or not. Speeding is illegal, but we all have or will do it. Doesn't make it any less illegal though. But to blatantly profess that it doesn't matter, THAT is the issue.

 

[Koinonia]

Guys guys. Relax. If you really need to argue anout it, start a thread for discussion!

Im hoping to get much better photos this coming sunday, or whenever i pick it up and bring it home. Hopefully get a list of things that need work, and another list of things id like to do as a project.

Short of a lift, or upgraded pipes, any suggestions on things to consider?

 

[winchster]

You disabled them. That's the illegal part. ....~~ But to blatantly profess that it doesn't matter, THAT is the issue.

Nope they're still enabled on the original manifolds. It's amazing how many felons there are in the world.

/Blatant

It doesn't matter because it doesn't apply

Blatant enough for you?
There is NO risk.


I refer you back to the mattress tag.
Because that is "illegal" too. Ever sold or given away a mattress? Then you weren't the end consumer.


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[rsayloriii]

Let's put it into gun relations, since this is a gun board. IF you were to cut down the barrel of a rifle or shotgun ... or to have in your possession a machine gun ... what are the chances of the ATF coming and knocking on your door? Assuming you don't commit a crime, probably pretty slim. However, there are still consequences for it. It's up to you if it's worth the risk.