Neckbeards, Knuckleheads, and Attention Whores?

[Savage805]

That NRA membership is looking better all the time. Now I'll have to go un-file that letter.

 

[Kaos]

While I support the right to OC, I'm no fan of these silly rallies and showing up to businesses and forcing them to make a decision. I feel the OC crowd is their own worst enemy and largely to blame for why many folks/businesses don't support OC.

Just one liberal's opinion. Lol.

exactly my thoughts!

 

[BG1960]

If Open Carry is that going to businesses and posing for pictures foolishness, I am no longer for open carry.

 

[TXARGUY]

but until one of you presents some empirical evidence that OC movements ARE damaging our efforts to support the 2nd Amendment then all you're presenting are opinions and you all know what we say about opinions.

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE -
A source of knowledge acquired by observation or experimentation.

Based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation, or experience.

"They provided considerable empirical evidence to support their argument".

- Oxford Dictionary, American English Edition
© 2014 Oxford University Press

http://wonkette.com/550489/open-carry-idiots-so-dumb-even-the-nra-is-yelling-at-them-now

http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2014/05/open-carry-backfires.html?m=1

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-sonic-chilis-ask-customers-to-keep-guns-out-of-restaurants-2014-01

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014...fter-texas-roadhouse-bans-open-carry-circus#1

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/05...ts-with-guns-but-restaurants-won-t-serve-them

http://www.mediaite.com/online/vide...with-rifles-get-tossed-from-chilis-and-sonic/

http://truthernews.wordpress.com/20...ent-in-dallas-on-may-31-2014-may-be-targeted/

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2014/05/chipotle-guns-open-carry-texas

http://alabamaopencarry.com/forum/index.php?topic=2352.5;wap2

http://bearingarms.com/texas-mall-open-carry-incident-leads-to-cch-permit-holders-being-punished/

http://www.floridaconcealedcarry.com/Forum/showthread.php?47207-Restaurants-banning-open-carry

http://doylestown.patch.com/groups/police-and-fire/p/chilis-sonic-among-latest-chains-to-ban-guns

http://snarkamendment.blogspot.com/2014/06/opencarry-storms-home-depot.html?m=1

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...protests-as-dubious-and-downright-weird.html/

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/21/texas-gun-groups-circular-firing-squad.html

http://m.gazettetimes.com/news/loca...11e3-af4f-0019bb2963f4.html?mobile_touch=true

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5420353?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

I know you didn't read those and I didn't expect that you would but you asked for empirical evidence of the damage/harm your demonstrations are causing.

There are literally thousands of examples (empirical evidence) I could post.

I sure don't remember these popping up every single day in my various news feeds before the open carry movement was hijacked. The movement used to be respectful and focused on changing current laws through legislative channels and political action committees.

Today, long respected open carry groups that were making great in-roads into changing public opinion and were working diligently to change or correct vague or 2A oppressive laws and ordinances are disbanding. The groups would rather cease their operations that were doing good than be hijacked by the few fringe idiots that somehow found their way into it's membership.

Taken over by the fringe "Let's go ed-u-mi-kate duh public folks hurr hurr" idiots.

These groups, gun clubs, forums, action committees etc... have many times tried to introduce the concept of reason to the idiots but there is no reasoning with a guy who wants to walk into a currently free and un-signed private establishment carrying his POS $500 bubba'd the **** up rifle with his neckbearded buddies.

Even open carry supportive and organizing groups are asking the idiot fringe to tone it down:

For all further open carry walks with long guns, we are adopting the following unified protocol and general policy to best ensure meeting our respective legislative mission to legalize open carry:
1.) Always notify local law enforcement prior to the walk, especially the day of.
2.) Carry Flags and signs during your walk to increase awareness.
3.) Carry the long gun on a sling, not held.
4.) Do not go into corporate businesses without prior permission, preferably not at all.
5.) If asked to leave, do so quietly and do not make it a problem.
6.) Do not post pics publicly if you do get permission and are able to OC in a cooperate business.
7.) Do not go into businesses with TABC signs posted with a long gun (Ever).
8.) If at all possible, keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly.

- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – Come and Take It Texas, Texas Carry, Gun Rights Across America and Open Carry Texas Joint Statement on OC of Long Arms – May 21, 2014

Instead, the idiot fringe has through its efforts, become the national face of gun ownership.

And I am not happy about that. So yes I call them idiots, neckbeards or whatever the hell else I decide to call them based off of what I truly believe them to be.

"Educating the public" LOL, that's a good one.

Your doing a great job at educating corporations and property owners how to post 'no guns' signs. Because of your actions just in the span of a few days five national restaurant chains (Starbucks, Wendy's, Applebees, Jack in the Box and Chipotle Mexican Grill) emitted press releases in which they requested their clients to not enter their establishments while carrying firearms.

These corporations and property owners are just the leading element. Hundreds of others are watching, paying attention, to the "education efforts" and will soon follow.

The domino effect that the idiots have created is already in motion and will not be stopped easily.

All of the efforts we have made legislatively right here in Texas towards legal open carry of sidearms are now in serious danger of failing thanks to the "public education events".

These "Open Carry" demonstration groups couldn't be doing a better job of turning public opinion against lawful gun owners and rights even if they were paid employees/operatives of Moms Demand Action, The Huffington Post, Turn Texas Blue, The Brady Campaign or Barack Obama himself.

In fact the open carry demonstration crowd is an unexpected but welcome, beautifully wrapped gift to such groups.

Unfortunately, they are too ignorant to understand that.

 

[XinTX]

Regardless of your opinion of these folks, it's fairly evident their tactics aren't working. Perhaps they should consider a different approach?

 

[DubiousDan]

I'm not for or against OC but holding a rally at a business without their permission is wrong. It puts them in a bad position and forces them to take sides. If you're going to have ralleys have them somewhere that doesn't put someone's business at risk from bad PR.

 

[Davetex]

As far as the OC events: The soccer moms don't like these. As a result they contact local and state politicians. As a result of that, local and state politicians have contacted the Texas lobbiests for the TSRA and the NRA and inquired if there is anything they can do about the OC events.

State legislatures have let it be known that these OC events are counter productive.

Charles Cotton (NRA board member), who has probably done more for 2A rights in Texas than anyone, has an interesting post today over at TX CHL forum.
I would advise visiting over there and give it a read.

TexasCHLforum.com ? View topic - OpenCarryTexas Lies About NRA

 

[southtexaspilot]

Guns, religion and politics. Three things I won't talk about in company. Most folks feel their view is the only view concerning all three topics.

W

 

[Sugar Land]

Guns, religion and politics. Three things I won't talk about in company. Most folks feel their view is the only view concerning all three topics.

W

All three have a place. As long as it isint the same place it's all good.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

It doesn't matter if you're right if you lose. What many of us are saying is that the rallies are not having the desired effect.

If we push this through without the news coverage the die hards are still going to vote for it, but we may be able to pick up more fence-sitter votes who aren't getting negative calls from their constituency. We have the momentum to win this if we dont shoot ourselves in the foot. Frankly its ours to lose. Why would be go around risking it more and more?

We can get this pushed through with petitions and folks at the capitol. We will have the support of Abbott and others. Frankly, I think the only reason Perry did nothing was just so Abbott could have a solid quick win.

I could be biased, but I just dont think the publicity is necessary to get the law passed.

 

[TXARGUY]

Guns, religion and politics. Three things I won't talk about in company. Most folks feel their view is the only view concerning all three topics.

W

You mean the:

My God/Gods created everything and he/she/it/they only like people who believe and behave exactly the way I do cause we're homeboys like that and everybody else should not enjoy the same rights and freedoms that I do based off of my personal opinion that they are wrong and going to burn in hell and my oppressing them and prejudice towards them should be globally accepted because it makes my God/Gods happy.

Folks?

Or the

If you didn't put a second mortgage on your house to buy a gun exactly like mine made by the same fella who made mine you are just a poser Rambo wannabe mall ninja who should probably just do us all a favor and shoot yourself in the head if you can do it before your cheap piece of tacticool crap jams and bursts into flames.

Folks?

Or the

My political candidate is better than yours and is exactly what this country needs because he/she says things in public that I agree with and I form my political ideologies based off of the emotions that his/her speeches evoke in me and anyone who thinks differently about him/her or has a differing political opinion to mine should be lined up against a wall and eliminated because I am not properly mentally equipped with the ability to form an intellectual and constructive argument against theirs so instead I yell my ignorance over them and shout them down with insults and thinly veiled threats of violence.

Folks?

 

[Younggun]

It seems to me the open carry "movement" or whatever you want to call it has lost it's root support for the most part. Being infiltrated by some attention grabbers. I don't think everyone who goes to a rally is doing it for attention, but it only takes a couple to piss of a restaurant owner.


I've been pretty supportive of the OC rallies, got in to some pretty heated debates on this forum about it. Seems it has gone the way of many other good things. It's been taken over, twisted, and lost its ability to do much good.


I still think there is a place for it, just not every other day on every other street corner. This is where it has started causing some problems IMO.

Now, if you were to find a restaurant owner who welcomes you in and invites you back week after week......that might be differently and I would support the business. But seems most of these are happening at large, corporate chains. If it drives their business away, they are gonna put a stop to it.

 

[Jakashh]

So, for some of you, calling names is what passes for mature, intellectual discussion? You know this is right out of the Liberal handbook, don't you? Call those you disagree with names, marginalize them, then it's easier to dismiss their point of view, isn't it?

Funny, coming from you of all people.

 

[Younggun]

Funny, coming from you of all people.

Whatcha gonna do bout it, blow us up?

Dad burn moo-slims!



(JK, don't blow me up)

 

[Jakashh]

 

[TXARGUY]

It doesn't matter if you're right if you lose.

The South was dead on correct, Constitutionally "protected" and backed, and was in the right on the issue of State's Rights.*

They lost and so did all generations of Americans to come.

When fights over rights or freedoms are lost everyone loses from that day forward.


Everyone loses.


To start a fight over a right/freedom/privilege that already exists at the risk of losing it is ignorant and is the behavior of the tiny minded, the selfish (I want so I do at the risk of all others and all generations to come), and the imbecilic.








*And no. For the reading comprehension impaired, what I am talking about has nothing to do with slavery so pick your jaws up off the floor.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Funny, coming from you of all people.

That's exactly what I thought when I read the first post.


I've seen Sapper call out sheeple, neckbeards, etc. and then slam on Islam based on some sensational pages he read on the internet.


I'm not saying we don't all have our hypocritical moments, but Sapper, I hope you recognize this is one of yours.

 

[mitchntx]

LOL
Let's all chuckle cause like MH said ... we've all done it. Putting crap in writing on the internet is a double edged sword.

But lets not allow a faux-paux take away from a meaningful conversation about a very sensitive subject. The intent was pure of heart ...

 

[JohnnyLoco]

I think what everyone forgets is that this movement was meant to protest the ban on OC handguns.

I was at the rally at the Alamo and considered that a huge success.

Well organized rallies or protests of unlawful arrests of open carriers of long guns or antique cap and ball revolvers, such as at a city park, city hall, or police department headquarters are devastating to the liberal gun grabbers.

The crap in restaurants is stupid.

Those groups should take a page out of the book of the breastfeeding mother groups. They wait until someone is discriminated against by a business, then they spread the word on social media and stage a mass protest in that establishment. It sends the message that they are being unfairly treated.

 

[TXARGUY]

It seems to me the open carry "movement" or whatever you want to call it has lost it's root support for the most part. Being infiltrated by some attention grabbers.

Seems it has gone the way of many other good things. It's been taken over, twisted, and lost its ability to do much good.

I shortened your statement solely for the purpose of pointing out the nail you just hit right on the head. I hope you don't mind.

I also was a supporter of open carry in its earlier stages and even attended rallies in Tyler, Denison and Andrews.

Those rallies were well organized, respectful and the issue was well represented by normal, everyday citizens. They weren't used as an opportunity to dress like an "operator" and wag rifles around on/in private property or to get into a shouting match with anyone who disagreed.

But soon along came this element. And started camera whoring. Storming private property/businesses, shooting video of themselves and the surprised reactions they got to post on their Facebook pages. Treating rightfully concerned patrons and owners with open distain. Challenging anyone willing to question them and their motives with imbecilic pre-written statements on the legality of what they were doing. And the media just loved them. Ate them up!

Just the beautifully wrapped gift the anti's desperately needed to boost their agenda after their crushing Senate legislative losses in 2013.

They needed a way to marginalize gun ownership in the public eye. They needed a way to portray American gun ownership as an activity of the mentally unstable. The lunatic fringe. The ignorant and the abusive. The activity of socially-disconnected psychopaths who lack the ability to comprehend the notion of consequences resulting from their actions.

All the Anti's needed was a few examples of what they wanted to portray.


A few bad apples...

Meet the new face of gun ownership in America: