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  • claymore504

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    I see you are in La Grange, if so I pass through there every month on my way to and home from Army National Guard duty. I carry my P320 while on duty and would be more than happy to meet you and let you check it out. I have about 1300 rounds through it now, so you can get an idea of how it feels once broke in.
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    I was looking at the p320 RX compact as an EDC replacement. I really like that it has a low sitting RDS that co-witnesses with night sights but I have heard the battery with the motion activated sensor dies real fast. I am a huge fan of red dot sights on defensive guns, for me they are much faster than a laser but I do not want to have to worry about it dying and not working when I need it... Any thoughts?

    https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p320-rx-compact.html

    I am wanting the RX as well. I would not worry about the optic dying and not working. All optics have the potential to fail, so with the irons being co-witness you are good to go. Train with both. Nice thing about the Romeo-1 is the motion activation.
     

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    I have a full size in 45 that I need to push the rear sight to the left, most of my shots are center right. My 320rx works just fine.
    I want a carry model but the x kits cost almost as much as a whole new pistol.

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    Soooo, seems there is a rumor going around now that during Dallas Police Department training a Sig P320 was dropped and it went off and now they have suspended all use of the P320 until the investigation is over. Can't really find true FACTS on any details. With all the agencies switching to it I find it hard to believe that is just went off. Remonds me of the story of the officer that said his FNS40L just went off in his holster a little while back.

    Anyone on here with Dallas PD that can add some insight?
     

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    I am wanting the RX as well. I would not worry about the optic dying and not working. All optics have the potential to fail, so with the irons being co-witness you are good to go. Train with both. Nice thing about the Romeo-1 is the motion activation.

    There is a current thread over on M4C about problems with the Romeo series optics.
    It is worth a read. I was going to add an RX to the stable but decided to wait.
     

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    Soooo, seems there is a rumor going around now that during Dallas Police Department training a Sig P320 was dropped and it went off and now they have suspended all use of the P320 until the investigation is over. Can't really find true FACTS on any details. With all the agencies switching to it I find it hard to believe that is just went off. Remonds me of the story of the officer that said his FNS40L just went off in his holster a little while back.

    Anyone on here with Dallas PD that can add some insight?

    Very unfortunate to hear.
     

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    Soooo, seems there is a rumor going around now that during Dallas Police Department training a Sig P320 was dropped and it went off and now they have suspended all use of the P320 until the investigation is over. Can't really find true FACTS on any details. With all the agencies switching to it I find it hard to believe that is just went off. Remonds me of the story of the officer that said his FNS40L just went off in his holster a little while back.

    Anyone on here with Dallas PD that can add some insight?
    Only time mine has gone off is when I squeezed the trigger. I have dropped mine a few times, no issues. I believe it's more likely someone accidentally fired off a shot and blamed it on dropping.
     

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    Just got back from talking to a buddy who just retired from DPD... he has a lot of friends in the food chain at DPD.... He said they absolutely are sending the 320s back and that this is not the only incident at a department that this happened.. He said several PDs have reported them firing when dropped... Could be serious crap down the pipe for Sig.
     

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    Well, according to the article, they contacted Dallas PD and they told them that an incident never happened, but there is an issue. The article makes it sound like Sig contacted them, but why would Sig contact a random department if there was no incident? There are some details not being made public on both the PD and Sigs part. I guess we will see if Sig issues a Statement and/or recall.

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-dallas-police-prohibited-duty-till-repaired/

    I have noticed a few new P320 adds on Texas Gun trader this morning. Guess people are spooked and jumping ship. I have taken mine out of service and will go with my PPQ that i keep for backup until Sig makes a statement.
     
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    claymore504

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    Here is the reply from the Sig customer service rep i use frequently:

    At this point, there is absolutely no reason to take your P320 out of service. We’re looking into these claims, but the P320 has passed every test it has come across. If for any reason something comes into light, we would absolutely take care of each P320 owner publicly.

    Thank you,
     

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    I don't know, I've been searching and the only issues I've been able to come across have been ejection issues that a few have gotten that in the end Sig has fixed for most of them. I myself, and after really thinking about it I've now put over 3,000 rounds through it, had only one stove piping incident and I'm not sure if it was because of the cheap ammo I was using.

    As I said, I have dropped it fully loaded, round chambered, with no issues other than wiping it off. All I can think of is that maybe it's a maintaining issue. I clean mine regularly, most times right after practice.
     

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    Yeah, I have about 1300 rounds through mine and not one issue. Gray guns made a statement and said the only way the P320 can fire without the trigger being pulled is if it was altered, just like all other quality handguns.

    This guy on SigTalk makes the most sense. I am starting to think that someone read the manual and is spooked about it saying it could fire if dropped. I understand for sure.

    FROM SIGTALK:

    What "incident" are we speaking of here?

    When asked directly whether there had been an instance of an officer dropping a firearm resulting in a discharge, the Dallas PD responded:

    "There have been no reported incidents of an accidental discharge involving this weapon because of the defect."

    What "defect" are we talking about here?

    In the original Dallas PD interdepartmental memo that generated this thread and others the Dallas PD stated that:

    "SIG Sauer has identified that there is a defect in the P320 handgun that could cause the weapon system to go off when dropped."

    How would the Dallas PD have learned of this "defect" if they had not experienced any accidental discharges with a dropped P320 if not from SIG Sauer or from some other agency or entity that had experienced such an AD? If SIG Sauer had communicated with the Dallas PD regarding a possible safety issue with the P320 they are not admitting it.

    While I agree that this does not prove that SIG did not communicate with the Dallas PD regarding a potential safety issue, does it seem plausible to anyone here that they would have only communicated with the Dallas PD and not any of the other LE agencies that have adopted the P320? And if they had communicated with other LEAs regarding a potential safety issue, don't you think we would have heard of it by now, on this forum and multiple others on which this issue is being discussed?

    What else do we have? There was a video posted on youtube by a largely unknown individual that purported to show discharge of a chambered primed cartridge case when a P320 was purposefully dropped. Interestingly, that video has now been taken down. That video has been questioned (to put it mildly) by some who are pretty familiar with the workings of the P320. And thus far to my knowledge, there has been no rebuttal of the criticisms of that video, nor have there been any other videos duplicating the results of that video.

    It seems to me that for all we know, someone in the Dallas PD may have read the most recent iteration of the P320 manual that states "Any firearm may fire if dropped", decided on that basis that there was a "defect" and the P320 was not drop safe leading to the P320 being disavowed by the department. Is there something here that I have missed?
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I certainly was concerned upon hearing this, that's why I searched. That thread basically throws out a lot of hearsay and conjecture. I am not a salesman for Sig Sauer so whether DPD adopts the p320 or not doesn't really concern me, but if there are actual problems it does.

    Same here. it is all mostly rumors. The Gun Blog story is the most facts I have heard and there are still missing details. I will just sit back and see what Sig s says. There are many agencies that have adopted the P320 as the primary weapon, Like Texas DPS, and we have heard of no issues.
     

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    Well I only know what the DPD guy told me, something isn't right here. I tend not to drop my guns to test their capability to not fire when chambered... I like to be super careful with a loaded firearm. Something does not smell right here.. Why is DPD sending them back if it's not a major problem? If they are sending them back for ANY reason why are they not telling the public who also has access to the firearm.
     

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    Well I only know what the DPD guy told me, something isn't right here. I tend not to drop my guns to test their capability to not fire when chambered... I like to be super careful with a loaded firearm. Something does not smell right here.. Why is DPD sending them back if it's not a major problem? If they are sending them back for ANY reason why are they not telling the public who also has access to the firearm.
    I don't drop my guns on purpose, but shit happens. I have no idea what's up with DPD, just I would think if there was that problem that it would be more than one source.

    I think this whole issue comes from "anonymous" sources. Fake news.
    That's what I was thinking. Sig Sauer doesn't know about it and I don't believe given that they back their guns so well, that they would cover up a performance issue.
     
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