Some human lives are worth less than a hatchet.
Florida Shoplifter Shot to Death
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Some human lives are worth less than a hatchet.
ASP ran the video a couple days ago. He didn't think the store owner should have shot. His question was - not could you but must you. Me, Meh. I will give the benefit of the doubt to a business owner trying to make a living over a thief. Was it worth it for the wholesale price of a hatchet? Probably not but things are rarely that cut and dry. Maybe the owner had enough of homeless people stealing from him. There are no lack of stories of shoplifters that suddenly become robbers and murderers when someone attempts to detain them. In a perfect world, IF a thief was caught, he would surrender. It doesn't happen like that so here we are. My hope is that he gets no billed.
Well, "most" sites that show videos like that won't show the actual shooting.
Kingarthur777
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Used to have to prove you are 18 are older, and it has all the gory details. One of my favorites was at an Academy where they were emphasizing properly patting someone down. A meth head shot at the police with a 1911, yet, no one had the sense to disarm him? You see the camera in the interview room. A detective brings him a cup of water. The guy drinks it, puts the .45 to his head and blows his brains out. The Detective goes running in there to see the dead guy and starts cussing a storm.
seeker_two
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Another thing to consider....why is this going to be a long, expensive road for the shopkeeper? When are we going to have enough of overzealous prosecutors who push a political agenda over the good of the community they allegedly serve? If this shopkeeper gets convicted, what message does it send to the community?
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The same message that is sent when we convict LE for perceived excessive force issues?? I agree with you but the DA would argue that they are working for the good of the community as evidence from the protesters out front and the phone calls he received. The criminal trial will be expensive AND the civil trial will be expensive even if he wins both.
From the video that was shown of the shopkeeper I never saw what could be considered his life was in danger. I'm sure if the full video showed different they wouldn't have excluded the "Stand Your Ground" law. Now unless the laws have changed on justifiable shootings, I'd like to see where it's written that it's ok to shoot shoplifters.
I always recommend LTC holders read and re-read Chapter 9 of the Penal Code. Yep nowhere does it specifically say you can shoot a shoplifter but it doesn't say you specifically can't either. The shoplifting is really not material to the justification. It just represents the basis for the initial encounter. We also know video is not the end all be all in splaining how something went down. Did the suspect have the means, the motive, and opportunity. What we don't know from the video is his motive. We do know he had means and opportunity. We need to go back to the actual law and stop getting triggered by videos.
Use of force and is of deadly force rarely look good on camera or as a snapshot in person.
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The video may not be all that went on, but it certainly shows that he was holding the thief from leaving, and that's pretty damning evidence.
Restraining isn't, restraining and shooting obviously is.
Look, I'm not brokenhearted that a scumbag got killed, I'm more worried about how this can impact the gun debate. If this turns out to be unnecessary force, then I don't want to see gun owners making him out to be a hero. It will just be used as ammunition in the war against guns.
That is why we have laws and juries and judges. The whole due process thing. Supposedly the juries will have access to everything we the video watcher doesn't get but even that is sometimes not true depending on what motions the attorneys file. The Q's will be - Would an average and prudent person have done the same thing and was the shop owner on fear for his life .
Gun haters will always use something to further their debate.
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But we do not know what the rest of the video shows, do we?
Perhaps the next frames show the perp reaching for the hatchet and then the perp is shot. In that case, I would say justifiable.
If the perp never reached for a weapon, then I would probably agree with you.
But from what I have seen, judgement cannot be reached. Not enough data.
Just the fact the video shows that the owner was restraining the perp prior to the shooting does not in and of itself make it a bad shoot.
What does "Stand your ground" ruling rejected mean to you? One can probably take that as saying those that viewed the whole video did not see what you described.
Sometimes arrests are made for political purposes......not saying that is the reason in this case, but it does happen...
To keep people from rioting and protesting ect......then when the grand jury no bills months later.....things have cooled off.....
To keep people from rioting and protesting ect......then when the grand jury no bills months later.....things have cooled off.....
seeker_two
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Anything other than the robber receiving a hug and a gluten-free cookie on the way out will be used as an argument for gun control. I don't worry about hurting their widdle feewings.....
....what I do worry about is the DA's agenda taking precedence over a person's right to be secure in their property and possessions.
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