Yeah fighting mass human wave attacks several hundred yards out isn't really the environment for rimless .357 magnumEvewryone I knew who fought in Korea thought the .30 carbine round was worthless.
Yeah fighting mass human wave attacks several hundred yards out isn't really the environment for rimless .357 magnumEvewryone I knew who fought in Korea thought the .30 carbine round was worthless.
Evewryone I knew who fought in Korea thought the .30 carbine round was worthless.
I learned to shoot rifles with my dad's .30 cal M1 carbine. The first time I shot it I put four rounds of surplus FMJ ball ammo through an eight inch thick oak tree. This was around 1986, with ammo that was loaded in 1950.
I think the experience in Korea had a lot to do with conditions there, including the cold. I've heard a lot of accounts of men being shot and continuing to fight because the cold sealed up the wounds. Once they warmed up, they'd bleed out.
I don’t know about 200 yds, but I do know experienced Green Berets who bought in that caliber just for penetrating bullet resistant vests.5.7x28 ss190 out of a 10 inch, iirc, barrel will Penetrate esapi plates at 200 yards. Level 3 plates I believe.
The non ap stuff we can get won't. Which is why my qualifier of ammo ww can't get.
The whole point of the 5.7 and p90 was developed to penetrate such armor at 200 yards with the ss190 ammo.
Without it it is a hot 22 mag load. Kinda.
3 3a what's a vowel between friends.Level III is rifle rated, IE, .308 M80 ball.
Lvl III will stop M855 or M193 past 50-75 yards 100% of the time (depending on barrel length), much less 5.7x28.
AP is not magic, and there is no bullet technology out there that will turn 5.7 at 200 yards into 5.56 at 50 yards, or say .30-06 M2AP
AP 5.7 will go through IIIa, as will .30 carbine FMJ or 7.62x25 FMJ
Don't think any of the 5.7 will get through a SAPI plate but they will zip through IIIa soft armour quite well without a special bullet at close range iirc.Defeating sapi plates at 200 yards with proper ammo.
Which we can't get.
Iirc, it will go through IIIa without an AP bullet at short ranges.3 3a what's a vowel between friends.
Now I'm curious.
Stand by.... 3a ofcourse. I'm a tard ars who watched too much stargate p90 defeating jaffa armor.
A friend of mine who is big time into carbines both M1 & M2 believes he has the the Spitfire Carbine Folder that was pictured with Melvin in a famous picture. The problem he encountered was ammo he has the brass all splits. He thinks it was the annelealing of the carbine brass is culprit.5.7 spitfire never made it past the wildcat stage, which is a shame because it's a great cartridge, and the best of all the various necked down .30 carbine cartridges out there
I learned to shoot rifles with my dad's .30 cal M1 carbine. The first time I shot it I put four rounds of surplus FMJ ball ammo through an eight inch thick oak tree. This was around 1986, with ammo that was loaded in 1950.
I think the experience in Korea had a lot to do with conditions there, including the cold. I've heard a lot of accounts of men being shot and continuing to fight because the cold sealed up the wounds. Once they warmed up, they'd bleed out.
The P-90 was/is the grandkids favorite- most smiles per round! The FN 5.7 pistol has awesome fireballs at dusk- The 50 round quick change mags are quite the item if your cabin is in danger of being over run...Practical? not so much. Fun Gun? You betchum Red Rider!Besides costing a bunch.
I have the pistol, the weight of it is cray. Even loaded it feels like nothing.Ruger has both a pistol and rifle that use the same magazines. Looking at the rifle is what made me ask. I probably won't get either.