51% and the TABC

[Mreed911]

Doesn't the GOP control nearly 2/3 of both houses and the governor's office?

Well I've lived in several states, and been involved in expanding gun rights in each of them. I can tell you there is one key to expanding rights. That key is to get a law passed that says that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right, and that any law affecting that right needs to pass strict scrutiny. Where does constitutional carry stand at this point?

At best, a run for it in 2017. The upcoming votes will tell for sure where things are likely to stand. A Constitutional amendment would then need to go before the citizens for a vote, like the upcoming "right to hunt and fish" amendment in the November elections.

 

[bdee]

When the original CHL law passed, it was already a felony to unlawfully carry a weapon on any premises with an alcoholic beverage permit. The CHL bill included language to ALLOW carry in premises selling for off-site consumption and those serving alcohol but not as a primary means of revenue (e.g. restaurants or large event spaces that happened to serve alcohol, but not bars), but kept those places that made the majority of their money from alcohol sales off limits. Language was also added that made carry WHILE intoxicated an offense, too (since before, you couldn't carry, so UCW always applied, sober or not).

There are no specific laws about getting drunk and shooting people as a single act, but both are already illegal separately, yes, with different punishment ranges.

It's silly, of course, but on its face, reasonable in terms of the rationality of carrying in a bar.

What's happening here, though, is the limits of that law being pushed - e.g. a private vendor whose revenues are 100% from alcohol sales in a public space obtains a liquor license for the entire premises and therefore posts 51% signs making any carry illegal, even if you're only coming to look at the fish and not drink. It's also not the facility, now, that's prohibiting it, it's the private vendor INSIDE the facility using its entire premises to allow the serving/consumption of alcohol.

Cities now prohibited from posting 30.06 signs (and 30.07 signs in January) have found a new way to keep citizens from exercising their right to carry using a new application of an existing liquor law.

As I've said before, it's a great reason to send to school boards and city councils about why they should avoid the Texas State Aquarium - it's a bar, now, not an educational facility.

When they got rid of the equivalent of the 51% law in Georgia it was predicted that there would be blood in the streets. In the five years since, not a single GWL holder has been involved in a shooting at a bar. Not a single GWL holder got drunk and started shooting the place up. Pass a law that says any law involving the bearing of arms must pass strict scrutiny, and this stupid sh!t goes away.

 

[karlac]

Pass a law that says any law involving the bearing of arms must pass strict scrutiny, and this stupid sh!t goes away.

Unfortunately, Texans are still fighting the Civil War carpetbaggers in that regard ...

 

[bdee]

Then you put it in as a ballot measure like they did in Missouri, go around the politicians.

http://ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Right_to_Bear_Arms,_Amendment_5_(August_2014)

 

[Mreed911]

Then you put it in as a ballot measure like they did in Missouri, go around the politicians.

http://ballotpedia.org/Missouri_Right_to_Bear_Arms,_Amendment_5_(August_2014)

2017, at best.

 

[bdee]

2017, at best.

So no chance at 2016?? How much time does it take if you have the signatures to make it to the ballot? I figured one had to file by next summer to make it to the ballot.

 

[karlac]

So no chance at 2016?? How much time does it take if you have the signatures to make it to the ballot? I figured one had to file by next summer to make it to the ballot.

Texas Legislature meets every two years, for 140 days, unless a special session is called by the Governor.
Takes a hefty expenditure of political capital for a Governor to do that.

 

[locke_n_load]

Rally behind HB308 equivalent next session - removes off limit areas for LTCs, including 51%.

 

[TheDan]

Doesn't the GOP control nearly 2/3 of both houses and the governor's office?

Since when has the GOP ever been about individual liberty and expanding rights? Just look at the first republican POTUS...

 

[stdreb27]

In fact, it is (so back to "can't post 30.06 anyway, 51% gets around the prohibition"):

[h=4]Location[/h]
Address:	2710 SHORELINE BLVD (TX STATE AQUARIUM),, TX 78401	Mapsco:
Neighborhood:	TEXAS STATE AQUARIUM S/D	Map ID:	U-5
Neighborhood CD:	S8740
[h=4]Owner[/h]
Name:	CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI	Owner ID:	202704
Mailing Address:	P O BOX 9277 CORPUS CHRISTI, TX 78469-9277	% Ownership:	100.0000000000%

I did not know this. I wonder how much they pay in rent.

 

[Mreed911]

I did not know this. I wonder how much they pay in rent.

More importantly, does the lease allow for alcohol sales and is the city aware of the liability happening on their property?

 

[jrbfishn]

Ohhhh. Good question.

from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[stdreb27]

Lol, remember this is the city who paid a contractor to repaint the harbor bridge. Paid em millions up front and they did a bit of sand blasting then never showed back up.

10 years later they finally got someone else to repaint it. Then ended up finding all these structural issues due to the 10 years exposed to the elements

And they never recouped a dime from the first company.

 

[NeckBeard]

Missouri has an interesting take on cc in a bar. It is not permitted unless you have the owners permission, or there is signage that prohibits it. The catch is, no criminal penalties for doing so unless you refuse to leave.

in my 'home' state of nevada, OC is 10000% legal in a bar (drinking or not). We used to host local forum events at local bars/restaurants. It was awesome to see OC all over while having a beer. We all never drank much at all, but fun times. Nothing cooler then 100-150 gun totin folks packing out an establishment.

In fact, a ccw holder stopped a mass shooting in a bar in 2008.... http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/19251374.html

here, in TX, panties are in a twist over a lot and ya'll are way too uptight about guns and booze.

 

[karlac]

here, in TX, panties are in a twist over a lot and ya'll are way too uptight about guns and booze.

In a word: Austin, DFW, Houston, Dirty SA ...

 

[busykngt]

in my 'home' state of nevada.....

here, in TX, panties are in a twist over a lot and ya'll are way too uptight about guns and booze.

Hummm... I can think of at least ONE other thing that's legal in Nevada, that's not in Texas!
Is OC ok at places like The Mustang Ranch (or do ya have to check 'em at the door) ?
Concerning your other comment: Welcome to The South!

 

[Gunns0902]

I don't think that a direct assault on the 51% signs would win. That is not a war of words anyone is going to win... The moment you say, "I want to make sure I can defend myself anywhere"...Some liberal shouts "From what??!! it isn't safe to let drunk people carry around guns!!" and because his argument sounds like you are avoiding the more plausible threat...He wins in the hearts and minds of the general population. This is the reason we have cigarette taxes. I literally heard a Conservative Talk-show host argue that supporting a raise in the cigarette tax did not mean that a politician supported raising taxes...

There are two strategies that win against this sort of thing, both of them follow a quote from Sun Tzu's Art of War "if you only attack positions that are never defended, you will always win". Go after something that they either cannot defend, or something that seems to be unrelated...

The first is to make it a problem for more people, get more people carrying, and make it easier for them to do so. Less expensive guns, Shorter wait periods for CHL, Pro-gun organizations that will give free advice on how to get a CHL(of course that can be all they do), what to do, where to go to take the class. At the same time you would want to run a PR campaign for CHL holders...Call it "Good fathers don't just do it for their kids, they do it for everyone"...talk about all the heroic CHL holders over the past several years...and don't use the word "gun" for the first month...you'll find that these 51% signs will become very unpopular....social media will pick up the gripes and more people will know what is so funny about all the jokes that get made...once that happens, liberal push-back will look more like unpopular fuddy-duddy crap....Kind of like that case in TN where the DA asked the Judge to make the Defendant stop calling him "The Government" from the stand(worst DA move ever)...

The second idea is easier...attach it to something liberals can't vote down without looking bad. Like something that would give the police some small tool to deal with Ferguson type riots, get it a bunch of media attention, label it the "Ferguson Safety Act, and bury a single line in the act removing restrictions on CHL holders, and in the same line re-affirm the idea that you should not carry while over the legal limit...now when Abortion Barbie comes out and says "They are trying to get rid of gun control laws"...she has to explain how and now she looks like the conspiracy theorist.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

In a word: Austin, DFW, Houston, Dirty SA ...

No, they're against all guns in general. It's the teetotaling, temperance, "alcohol is evil" religious crowd that puts this stigma on carrying in bars or while drinking. The idea goes back to some of the debauchery of the 1800s and the move to ban gambling and prostitution as well.

 

[karlac]

No, they're against all guns in general. It's the teetotaling, temperance, "alcohol is evil" religious crowd that puts this stigma on carrying in bars or while drinking. The idea goes back to some of the debauchery of the 1800s and the move to ban gambling and prostitution as well.

You think. Looks more like the liberal stronghold in those cities that provided the legislative clout to do so. But, you might be right, especially considering the dry county, gambling and blue law battles of the past. Good point.

 

[NeckBeard]

Hummm... I can think of at least ONE other thing that's legal in Nevada, that's not in Texas!
Is OC ok at places like The Mustang Ranch (or do ya have to check 'em at the door) ?
Concerning your other comment: Welcome to The South!

Im not sure as i didnt ever patronize those places. There were brothels in the area but way way way outside vegas limits.... Prostitution is "illegal" in vegas (clark county) but 3/4th of the local phone book is full of escort ads.