Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[Frank59]

Wut

Texas Department Public Safety spokesman Lt. Christopher Olivarez confirmed to a reporter during a live shot that police officers went into Robb Elementary School to get their own children during the massacre.

I’ve seen one unconfirmed report that it was not the border patrol tactical officer that took the shooter out but instead a Uvalde police officer

 

[Tex929rr]

We have trained multiple times with local LEO’s at our schools and the assumption is always that the first officers (probably the assigned resource deputies) to arrive go in immediately. Officers will arrive mostly singly after that and given that its an unincorporated town without its own police force, that might be deputies, troopers, game wardens, ICE. or whoever hears the call. But with cell phones there is a district possibility that an armed parent can show up and try to gain entry. EMS will arrive with one crew (if they are not already out on a call) but fire will take probably 6-10 minutes to respond. We have tactical medics but they might be on another assignment 30 minutes away. Imagine kids streaming out of other exits onto the streets in the middle of this mayhem. It’s just not a situation where you can plan for every eventuality with clear lines of authority.

Let me give you one example of a training issue,. We were discussing (as a school board) the decisions we would have to make about armed staff responding to a shooter. When I taught in our high school my classroom was at the end of one hallway, as far as you can get from the entrance and cafeteria. If a shooter started shooting at the front of the school, should I lock my door and leave the kids in my classroom to go after the shooter? I’ve then abandoned kids that I could stay and protect. What if there was a second shooter? I expect we will work all this out with local law enforcement before we actually have staff armed up, and I also expect once we decide someone if qualified to carry on school grounds we will give them the latitude to make decisions in the moment. But it doesn’t mean they will always have been the correct decision after it’s over.

 

[Tex929rr]

“Escalon added that no police or law-enforcement officers were present at the school at the time, which allowed the shooter to enter the school unobstructed. He said that police officers responded to reports of shots fired at the school at 11:44 a.m. local time, four minutes after Ramos was reported to have entered.

Escalon forcefully pushed back against suggestions that police declined to enter the school after arriving at the premises, as has been suggested by parents of students with videos circulating on social media. He also dismissed suggestions that an officer with the Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District Police service had confronted the suspect outside the school before he entered.

Instead, he said that a group of officers from various agencies entered the school immediately after arriving on scene but fell back after exchanging gunfire with the suspect. At least one officer was believed to have been hit during that exchange. During this time, they called for “additional resources, such as body armor, precision riflemen, and hostage negotiators,” and began evacuating children from other classrooms.

The officers then stood by until a U.S. Border Patrol tactical team arrived, one hour later. That team eventually breached the classroom after a delay owing to their inability to unlock the classroom door, according to the Associated Press, where they shot and killed Ramos, who was hit 15 times. They proceeded to secure the area.”

NR

 

[bbbass]

I disagree. Nobody every actually loudly goes on TV and says that the problem is fundamentally the teaching in the public schools and the lack of a fear of God - or consequences.

You need to stop watching legacy news. The people I see on my shows are constantly doing exactly what you suggest... and have for decades now.

The oppo side and the gun grabbers are focused on what they dream will be quick fixes (blaming objects instead of policies/practices/people) as well as making political points. Again, they ignore any info or fix that doesn't fit their agenda.

Things are going to get worse. Very bad. Then the people that want to fix our broken society will have to line up against the people that want to blame, burn it all down, and start over with a very anti-human system. Hoping I'm not on the planet for that!!!

 

[etmo]

During this time, they called for “additional resources, such as body armor, precision riflemen, and hostage negotiators,” and began evacuating children from other classrooms

I don't understand why they would call for additional resources when the policy is allegedly to just go in and engage no matter what the circumstances. Are these officers unaware of department policy? Will they be reprimanded for acting contrary to department policy?

 

[Tex929rr]

I don't understand why they would call for additional resources when the policy is allegedly to just go in and engage no matter what the circumstances. Are these officers unaware of department policy? Will they be reprimanded for acting contrary to department policy?

They had already engaged, and apparently even taken hits. But they couldn’t breach the door. So they could keep lining up and taking hits from a barricaded shooter or do what they could (evacuate other kids) until they had the resources.

 

[Bobk]

Texas cops reveal there was NO armed guard on campus shooting started

At a press conference on Thursday afternoon, Victor Escalon shared new details from Tuesday's shooting including how SWAT teams took an hour to arrive to breach the classroom.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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'There were plenty of men out there armed to the teeth that could have gone in faster. This could have been over in a couple minutes,' he said.

He added that police were faster to escort Beto O'Rourke out of the press conference yesterday when he started heckling the governor than they were to get into the school. "

Hell of a quote......

 

[easy rider]

Heard Lt. Gov. Patrick on Fox News this AM and he pretty much said the same. He said the deterioration of the family, removal of God from our country and kids sitting at home during the Covid playing violent video games was a lot to do with the problem. That made more sense that much of the hand wringing excuses I have listened to.

While I agree with the first part, violent video games have been around longer than the internet. I used to play those video games, but I was able to distinguish between reality and fantasy. The internet is not so easily defined. Kids look for likes from others, no matter how messed up their dialog may be, there are those spurring them on. It's not always easy to know what is a joke and what is serious (as you can see even on this forum) online. If kids are learning their morality online, as opposed to through parenting, then the odds are they'll be messed up themselves.

 

[Bobk]

While I agree with the first part, violent video games have been around longer than the internet. I used to play those video games, but I was able to distinguish between reality and fantasy. The internet is not so easily defined. Kids look for likes from others, no matter how messed up their dialog may be, there are those spurring them on. It's not always easy to know what is a joke and what is serious (as you can see even on this forum) online. If kids are learning their morality online, as opposed to through parenting, then the odds are they'll be messed up themselves.

Your spot on. Hard to tell when someone is serious and just B.S.ing around. The problem is that our moral compass is broke. It's not even pointing to true north, grid north, and magnetic north.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Did they not have glass windows in the classroom that could been broken?

 

[easy rider]

Your spot on. Hard to tell when someone is serious and just B.S.ing around. The problem is that our moral compass is broke. It's not even pointing to true north, grid north, and magnetic north.

Yeah, looking back, I remember playing imaginary games like coyboys and indians, or goodguys and badguys. We played with guns that often looked real. Some, during those times, thought it was radicalization. Then it was music, and then it was video games and probably other things as well. The difference between those times and now, that I see, is that we didn't learn our morality from those things, we had family. If it wasn't my mother or father, it was my grandparents, aunts and uncles that were there.

As far as religion, I grew up with so many different perspectives, I got fed up with organized religion. It doesn't mean I don't believe in God, I just don't want someone telling me how to believe. I do respect others' choices though.

 

[innominate]

I don't understand why they would call for additional resources when the policy is allegedly to just go in and engage no matter what the circumstances. Are these officers unaware of department policy? Will they be reprimanded for acting contrary to department policy?

I get it. My first thought is, "there are children in there. You f-ing go after the POS and take him out"

We don't know what they were facing. Just for example. A group of officers are making their way down a school hall. No cover. They are engaged with rifle fire. At least one is hit. They find a position of cover. The crazy person then locks himself in a classroom. The officers advance to a door they cannot breach. Then what?


I would like to think I'm the type of person that runs toward the fight. And I have a couple times. But nothing like this situation. I'm just a redneck that has only killed ducks and doves. I can punch holes in paper no problem. The paper was never shooting back.

 

[JColumbus]

I'll tell you who WILL fight back. Coaching staff, Industrial Arts staff, Administrators, etc. And probably a good deal of teachers if they were organized and had a bit of training. My opinion comes from 30+ years of teaching and administration in the public school systems.

I grew up learning japanese martial arts and off shoots of it. When my dad started teaching, we opened up a FREE dojo at a near by park gym, I was in high school, and we trained people who couldn't even slap right, let alone punch.

These were mostly women and they were timid and there was even this suuuuuuper fem gay dude. I'll tell you from a few years of teaching martial arts, these people, WHO WANT TO LEARN (that's important) are the most vicious fucking people I have ever seen till this day. These people fight like damn animals and only use like 40 percent of what they're good at and still get the job done. That suuuuuuuper fem gay dude went to my high school and sadly for us, he used his skills to antagonize people into fighting and then he would whoop their asses like some sort of fruit ninja hahahaha!!!!

I don't always make myself laugh, but when I do, it's hard. Wait... WAIT NO THAT'S NOW WHAT I MEA

 

[Sam7sf]

It is hard to focus on the facts and reality when you are inundated with the photos of children and grieving parents but this is what the media and politicians use to their advantage to run over people who are hurting.

Remember when they redefined "mass shooting" a few years ago to include any shooting that killed 4 or more people? They also have "school shootings" include gang and drug homicides that take place within a few blocks of a school even if the incidents take place at 2 am, on a weekend or during the summer; even abandoned schools are included.

Now, look at the actual photos of the perps who committed these "mass shootings over the past three years and see how this lines up with the way the media portrays a mass shooter. The image of an angry young white man with right wing affiliations simply does not line up with reality.

Of course, a nation reeling in pain does not want to see this and the media and politicians do not want you to see it too. They want their 15 minutes of fame and the "look what I did" rewards, they do not want reality.

Such good boys.

 

[Bobk]

Yeah, looking back, I remember playing imaginary games like coyboys and indians, or goodguys and badguys. We played with guns that often looked real. Some, during those times, thought it was radicalization. Then it was music, and then it was video games and probably other things as well. The difference between those times and now, that I see, is that we didn't learn our morality from those things, we had family. If it wasn't my mother or father, it was my grandparents, aunts and uncles that were there.

As far as religion, I grew up with so many different perspectives, I got fed up with organized religion. It doesn't mean I don't believe in God, I just don't want someone telling me how to believe. I do respect others' choices though.

I bet a there are a bunch of us that remember playing cowboys and indians, or how about playing army? Batman and Robin? I remember the teacher taking our paper guns away at school. Vietnam was going on at the time.

 

[JColumbus]

The doctrine has been pretty well established after past incidents. Active shooter in school, LEO's go in without waiting.

Ah ****, thank you so much. I'm so exhausted from arguing this FACT. Someone said "damned if you do, damned if you dont", uh nope, it's just damned if you don't. Someone said "feelings"... Uhhhh haaha nopes again. In fact I would argue that rooting for the cops to wait outside until they "know what they're dealing with", is the biggest feeling of all. ONE OF FEAR.

Anyway. I'm done arguing that when it comes to kids dying, you get your grown ass in there even if it means little Billy Jr may not have a daddy tomorrow. But that's just me...

By the way, I'm a good quarter back. They don't even know how much their complimenting me hahaha...

 

[candcallen]

OMG.

 

[candcallen]

@Annihilator I'm glad you stayed around.

 

[Retired Spook]

We have a problem of evil, pure and simple. We have allowed - no enabled - a couple generations of hate-filled nihilists, and it will take 50-years to exterminate their philosophies, if we have the guts to do it.

 

[TheDan]

The problem is braindead will vote for this loser pos

What's this one doing? Trying to get a selfie with her hero?