Alright! SB 299 passed the house & senate. We are getting "imprinting" in Texas!!!!

[Bithabus]

Where I really see it being advantage is on ranches and such. If I invite some friends over for hiking or 4-wheeling or horseback riding, they can now legally OC.

Sooo OC BBQ at Renegade's place?

 

[dustycorgill]

Oh dear dear...if we only had a Speaker of The House in Texas that helped Pro Gun Laws......this discussion would not be happening. We would be like Arkansas, Arizona, and the other states that are light years ahead of us on this matter.

 

[BJG]

I can tell you're new to this. Printing is not a concern in Texas. Unless you shrink wrap a t-shirt to yourself your gun will not be so conspicuous as to violate the current statute. The Police do not arrest people for a shirt blowing up or a jacket riding up. This is nonsense perpetuated by gun store commandos and worthless CHL instructors.

SB 299 does give us liscensed open carry in private locations not owned or controlled by the carrier, which is something we don't currently have. After Sept 1 you can have your friends over (assuming they have CHL) and hang out in your backyard or your house with your handguns openly displayed.

I can say that although I am relatively new to Texas, I'm certainly not new to concealed carry, law enforcement, or the court system. It's always best to have a specific law in place to protect one's rights instead of relying on a police officer's discretion and/or the DA's office making the proper decision not to pursue a prosecution. Although it may be redundant, this new law probably clears up some of the perceived gray area for those who are against concealed carry and might be alarmed if a handgun were unintentionally exposed. Still though, because open carry is not legal in public locations here in Texas, it can come down to officer testimony and witness statements as to whether or not a handgun exposure is unintentional. Some police officers fudge reports, and some witnesses lie. (And I'm saying this as a former Chief of Detectives).

Some people on this discussion thread are very confident that printing of a concealed handgun in a public location is not illegal and/or will not get them in any trouble. While I agree that a simple bulge is not enough to cause a problem, something that clearly resembles a handgun under clothing probably will cause a problem. I'm defining "printing" as something more than a simple bulge in one's clothing. If I'm on the wrong track with all of this, then I apologize. I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to potentially violating the law and having to deal with being stopped/questioned/arrested, etc. For those who are steadfastly confident that printing (more than a simple bulge) is acceptable in the eyes of the police and courts, then put your money where your mouth is and test your theory. That's all I'm asking. Me...I'm not so confident that the law is clearly defined, so I'll pass on becoming a test case.

 

[GRAYWOLF]

Where I really see it being advantage is on ranches and such. If I invite some friends over for hiking or 4-wheeling or horseback riding, they can now legally OC.

Isn't this already legal? As long as one has the land owner's permission they can open carry...hunters do it all the time.

 

[Bithabus]

Isn't this already legal?

not legal

As long as one has the land owner's permission they can open carry...hunters do it all the time.

Different if you are hunting

 

[Renegade]

Isn't this already legal? As long as one has the land owner's permission they can open carry...hunters do it all the time.

Expanding on what bithabus said, they can OC if the activity uses that gun. Hunting does, target shooting does, etc. Other things like BBQ, 4-wheeling, hiking, etc do not. In summary, a landowner can not give permission to OC on their property, just as they cannot give permission to DUI on their property.

 

[Younggun]

Alright! SB 299 passed the house & senate. We are getting "imprinting" in Texas

Hell, I figured it would help the city folks have an OC BBQ more than it would help the country folk on a 4 wheeler. I don't think anybody would give a rats rear end if I had 20 people at my house eating BBQ OCing their favorite chime and gold desert eagles( other than the guns being ugly). Sheriffs department may show up.......for some BBQ.

 

[Driller]

Imprinting

I expect my friends to have a pistol on their hip when they are on my property if they are out in the woods. All snakes and pigs are always fair game 24/7.

Driller

 

[txinvestigator]

I don't think it clears up the old argument (since the answer was clear), but it does change the answer.



Your backyard is not a public place.

how do you know, ever been here? lol

 

[txinvestigator]

I can say that although I am relatively new to Texas, I'm certainly not new to concealed carry, law enforcement, or the court system. It's always best to have a specific law in place to protect one's rights instead of relying on a police officer's discretion and/or the DA's office making the proper decision not to pursue a prosecution. Although it may be redundant, this new law probably clears up some of the perceived gray area for those who are against concealed carry and might be alarmed if a handgun were unintentionally exposed. Still though, because open carry is not legal in public locations here in Texas, it can come down to officer testimony and witness statements as to whether or not a handgun exposure is unintentional. Some police officers fudge reports, and some witnesses lie. (And I'm saying this as a former Chief of Detectives).

Some people on this discussion thread are very confident that printing of a concealed handgun in a public location is not illegal and/or will not get them in any trouble. While I agree that a simple bulge is not enough to cause a problem, something that clearly resembles a handgun under clothing probably will cause a problem. I'm defining "printing" as something more than a simple bulge in one's clothing. If I'm on the wrong track with all of this, then I apologize. I would rather be safe than sorry when it comes to potentially violating the law and having to deal with being stopped/questioned/arrested, etc. For those who are steadfastly confident that printing (more than a simple bulge) is acceptable in the eyes of the police and courts, then put your money where your mouth is and test your theory. That's all I'm asking. Me...I'm not so confident that the law is clearly defined, so I'll pass on becoming a test case.

Intent is a culpable mental state here. The code defines it as when it was your conscious objective to engage in the conduct or cause the result. Also, a violation is a class a misdemeanor. One for which must occur in an officer's presence or view for a warrantless arrest.

Welcome to the forum, BTW. Where were you a LEO?

 

[Bithabus]

how do you know, ever been here? lol

Ha. Wouldn't be your backyard then, I suppose.

 

[Bithabus]

Welcome to the forum, BTW. Where were you a LEO?

I guess New York.

 

[txinvestigator]

Anyone who wants to clearly imprint their concealed handgun and give police officers a chance to see it, be my guest and please report back to us how the encounter went.

Please define "imprinting".

 

[Bithabus]

how do you know, ever been here? lol

Is this it?

 

[txinvestigator]

Is this it?

View attachment 21056

Nice place. Not mine....

 

[Bithabus]

Nice place. Not mine....

 

[winchster]

Alright! SB 299 passed the house & senate. We are getting "imprinting" in Texas

You're just wrong man. Lol

 

[txinvestigator]

Lol, no. When I can get to the PC and can copy and paste, I will show you.

 

[winchster]

Alright! SB 299 passed the house & senate. We are getting "imprinting" in Texas

Lol, no. When I can get to the PC and can copy and paste, I will show you.

Wait, I got this. It's this one.

 

[Flat Lander]

Alright! SB 299 passed the house & senate. We are getting "imprinting" in Texas

Looks like your house Winchester!