Another reason to excuse females from deployments? Great.

[Moonpie]

WTF?

TreyG20 wants it for a hootch girl.

 

[MTA]

Women dont belong in the military

 

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't really see what the big deal is or why folks are picking on the Specialist. She asked permission and the Army granted it. If folks have a problem with this going on, it should be with the Army. The Army could have refused the request, plain and simple.

Yeah, I really do think the Army is doing this for publicity reasons, because it will be very good.

BTW, here are 19 others who the military has on the books who are being allowed to play games instead of soldiering. They are in the Olympics.

Meet the 19 Troops Representing America at the Olympics

The Defense Department said that the U.S. Olympic team will include 17 soldiers, a Marine and a Coast Guardsman.

www.military.com

It was until until 2017 that the military allowed military student athletes to defer their deployments if they were able to go pro. The military put an end to that, at least until they had served a couple of years active duty, first. So there were a goodly number of guys who signed on the dotted line who got out of doing their duty for a while so they could play football or some other sport.

Military athletes can no longer defer service for pro sports

Should student athletes at U.S. military academies be allowed to play professionally after graduation or should they have to head straight into military service?

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

I can't think of a single person that I know that went into the military that didn't try to work the system to their benefit as best they could. Everyone may sign on the same dotted line, but not everyone gets the same package out of the deal.

 

[Younggun]

I don’t think they should get out of their contracts because they were good at football either.

But all of this leaves out half of my issue: that suddenly after joining she’s got depression, anxiety, etc. Sounds like what I’ve heard from other losers in the military who wanted to get out of deployments (and no, these weren’t PTSD cases).

She signed on the line, she can do her F’ing job. If not, kick her ass out. Same with anyone else.


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[Double Naught Spy]

I don’t think they should get out of their contracts because they were good at football either.

But all of this leaves out half of my issue: that suddenly after joining she’s got depression, anxiety, etc. Sounds like what I’ve heard from other losers in the military who wanted to get out of deployments (and no, these weren’t PTSD cases).

She signed on the line, she can do her F’ing job. If not, kick her ass out. Same with anyone else.


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Well, I don't think any of them should get out of their job either in order to go be in non-military competitions, but the military allows for it, plain and simple. Last I checked, you and I don't get to run the military, so picking her for getting to do what she is doing is pretty pointless.

As for finding out she has issues, again, LOTS of military personnel discover they have issues after joining the military, be it mental issues or physical issues.

Yep, she signed on the line and she is operating within the military's rules and doing things by the book. The MILITARY is allowing her to go be in a pageant. The military has no problem with her doing this. She isn't AWOL or anything else. AND, the military will exploit her as a public figure. After all, it has already started.

 

[Younggun]

With very mixed reviews it seems.


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[Aus_Schwaben]

In Germany, there was a kid that played tennis for USAREUR. He got out of duty to compete. The problem many troops had was when he came back, he would demand his CTO and HTO (we were 24 hour ops) as if he had been at work.

When Desert Shield kicked off, there were U.S. Army soldiers that said on AFN that they did not join the Army to fight, males said they would whatever they could not to go, and even females said they would get pregnant to get out of deployment. I think that would have been a great time for general discharges!

 

[toddnjoyce]

Each of the services has a World Class Athlete Program as part of the DoD WCAP program. It’s
primary purpose is as a recruiting activity and secondarily as an MWR activity. US Army AMU is another example of a service-specific program that also serves a recruiting activity.

They all have a place.

 

[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

A 'General Discharge' is to easy an out for those not willing to do their military occupations.

Perhaps a 'Dishonorable Discharge' would be harsher than they deserve, but it ought to be a step or two lower than a 'General Discharge'.

Perhaps one titled something like 'Unwilling Discharge' would be closer to the truth for their malingering choices...

 

[Axxe55]

Women dont belong in the military

IMO, for the most part, no they don't. If they can't hump the same load as a man, during basic training, then they have no business being in the military.

Standards and qualifications should be straight across the board, with gender not an exclusion, or inclusion.

 

[jrbfishn]

Women have been in the military for a very long time. I have no problem with that. But the ones that can't do the same as a man can do, they have no business anywhere near a combat theater. Period.
But there are other duties they can perform that don't call for physical attributes. Thus freeing up able bodied men for combat roles.
Beauty Contestant,,,,, is not a military role.

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[Double Naught Spy]

With very mixed reviews it seems.


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But not from her bosses in the military, which are the only ones that matter, LOL.

Women have been in the military for a very long time. I have no problem with that. But the ones that can't do the same as a man can do, they have no business anywhere near a combat theater. Period.
But there are other duties they can perform that don't call for physical attributes. Thus freeing up able bodied men for combat roles.
Beauty Contestant,,,,, is not a military role.

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Beauty contestant, Olympian, pro sports player, etc. ... none of which are military roles, but the military has allowed people in the military to pursue these avenues.

 

[karlac]

Not like it's not an historical practice; Glenn Miller, Elvis, et al.
You did BCT, AIT earned an MOS, have at it ...

 

[Younggun]

Just because someone in her chain of command gives it a green stamp doesn’t make it something I’m going to agree with.


And to the comparison with olympics: That is comparing one activity which at least relates to attributes the military needs (physical fitness) with something that is completely irrelevant to military service.

So regardless of if her bosses approve, it’s a load of bullshit and another sign of our military going to shit.


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[karlac]

50 years ago, friend of mine, 1st Lt, OIC of base Officer's Club in Deutschland, professional golfer as a civilian, played golf every day, sometimes all day, throughout his Army career.

Some folks are just jealous.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

Not like it's not an historical practice; Glenn Miller, Elvis, et al.
You did BCT, AIT earned an MOS, have at it ...

On the other hand, there is the late BG James Stewart who flew combat missions and was in the USAF Reserves until 1968. And Elvis Presley did not tour or do shows, instead, he specifically asked to serve as a regular soldier so he served in tanker units at Fort Hood and in Germany.

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

IF she had mental problems before she joined she would have failed a 4473.
Now she is issued one?
She should be dishonorably discharged, for the sake of all around her.

 

[lightflyer1]

In Germany, there was a kid that played tennis for USAREUR. He got out of duty to compete. The problem many troops had was when he came back, he would demand his CTO and HTO (we were 24 hour ops) as if he had been at work.

When Desert Shield kicked off, there were U.S. Army soldiers that said on AFN that they did not join the Army to fight, males said they would whatever they could not to go, and even females said they would get pregnant to get out of deployment. I think that would have been a great time for general discharges!

My youngest daughter got pregnant and had her baby and then deployed directly to Afghanistan (in military intelligence). Husband raised and took care of the child while she was gone. My oldest daughter wanted to join but was diagnosed and taking meds for ADHD. They told her she had to be off medication and operating in the civilian world without issue to join. She went off meds for a year and they let her in. She also served in Afghanistan as a medic. Both served their time and got out. Both living good lives since in the civilian world.

 

[MTA]

IMO, for the most part, no they don't. If they can't hump the same load as a man, during basic training, then they have no business being in the military.

Standards and qualifications should be straight across the board, with gender not an exclusion, or inclusion.

This aint directed at you Axxe.

Im never going to agree that women belong in the military. The entire western world is dying because women are refusing their traditional roles, all so they can pretend to be men. I really dont want any woman or 3/4 of the men in this country next to me in a foxhole.

My experiences with women in the military is that they contribute greatly to a decrease in combat readiness, they suck anyone off to get promoted and they are generally a source of unneeded bullshit and drama in the barracks. They are effectively useless in the field. They cant carry anything heavy or standup to prolonged hardship. There are so many times I ended up carrying an extra M16 or a SAW because some female couldnt hack it on a 15 mile nature walk to LZ Hawk on Okinawa. Good luck saying anything to her because the Sergeant or Staff Sergeant who is plugging her that week will make sure your life is hell if you do so. There is a reason why "Woman Marine" or "WM" really stood for walking mattress.

Not a popular opinion today but women should rear children first and foremost. I want my daughter to be a mother, not an onlyfans whore or a pretend man. It seems like the communist subverted society we live in is only pushing those two options on to women today. My wife is much happier as a mother than she ever was a debt slave to some corporation.

 

[Axxe55]

This aint directed at you Axxe.

Im never going to agree that women belong in the military. The entire western world is dying because women are refusing their traditional roles, all so they can pretend to be men. I really dont want any woman or 3/4 of the men in this country next to me in a foxhole.

My experiences with women in the military is that they contribute greatly to a decrease in combat readiness, they suck anyone off to get promoted and they are generally a source of unneeded bullshit and drama in the barracks. They are effectively useless in the field. They cant carry anything heavy or standup to prolonged hardship. There are so many times I ended up carrying an extra M16 or a SAW because some female couldnt hack it on a 15 mile nature walk to LZ Hawk on Okinawa. Good luck saying anything to her because the Sergeant or Staff Sergeant who is plugging her that week will make sure your life is hell if you do so. There is a reason why "Woman Marine" or "WM" really stood for walking mattress.

Not a popular opinion today but women should rear children first and foremost. I want my daughter to be a mother, not an onlyfans whore or a pretend man. It seems like the communist subverted society we live in is only pushing those two options on to women today. My wife is much happier as a mother than she ever was a debt slave to some corporation.

Interlace your post with some colorful language from an old Navy veteran, and your post @MTA89 could have been written by my uncle!

Uncle "Bill" enlisted, not drafted into the Navy at the tender age of twenty, in 1967. He served two tours in Vietnam in the "Brown Water Navy" and then retired after over twenty some years in the Navy. I learned a lot from working around him a teenager!

His viewpoint and opinions on women in the military was very similar.

IMO, having relaxed standards and qualifications, or one for men and one for women, to be able to pass, does a disservice for everyone in the military.